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Psychotic Militant Bitch

I always took him saying he was starving to death as him exaggerating. He didn't put up any resistance and even made a big pronouncement about giving up his birthright.

I don't think God hated him but I do think he was a huge jackass on top of being stupid.

Jeevacatiophon

@Xenophon@nicecrew.digital remote

God says he hates him. God hates him so much, in multiple places ij the bible God says how He will destroy every last one of his descendants. I believe God.

DMA 💃

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@Xenophon @Silverwolf @TheTallMan @Deplorable_Degenerate @Bead @BigTLarrity @Omega_Variant @SapientPearwood @justnormalkorean Ammonites and moabites cursed Israel. Recall Baalum ? He was purposely called to curse Jacob. His descendants. They had no rights in the covenant given to Abraham. Not all of Jacobs son either. Israel is not all Jews. It was only a select group. Christ fulfilled the covenant. Unless they convert to Christianity. They have no hope.

My two cents

Jeevacatiophon

@Xenophon@nicecrew.digital remote

>Christ fulfilled the covenant
What covenant. Please cite verse.

No jews are children of Jacob. They are a mixture of canaanites and edomites.

DMA 💃

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Matthew 1:1-18 Bloodline.

DMA 💃

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Genesis 15:18 On that day Jehovah made with Aʹbram a covenant, saying: “To your offspring I will give this land, from the river of Egypt to the great river, the river Eu·phraʹtes:

Jeevacatiophon

@Xenophon@nicecrew.digital remote

Genesis 17
>7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee

Everlasting...
There is no fulfillment

SapientPearwood

@SapientPearwood@nicecrew.digital remote

That seems like it is just saying the everlasting covenant is to be their God. Maybe the next verses say more though, I haven't read through them with this in mind.

Jeevacatiophon

@Xenophon@nicecrew.digital remote

>6 And I will make thee exceeding fruitful, and I will make nations of thee, and kings shall come out of thee

Everlasting. Israel is the only people God will ever know. He did not end His unilateral everlasting covenant

SapientPearwood

@SapientPearwood@nicecrew.digital remote

Ok, my next question is why God said in Jeremiah 31:31-34 that they broke his covenant and he would establish a new covenant with them if this covenant was still in place?

Then again it does say in 13:20 "Now the God of peace, who brought up from the dead the great Shepherd of the sheep through the blood of the eternal covenant..." so that does seem to reference an eternal covenant like you're saying.

I know I was taught as a child that Jesus establishing a new covenant meant that the old covenant was complete. They would always follow up with Hebrews 8:13 "n that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away." Which does seem to say that the old is vanishing away. They also brought up several different OT verses in which prophets or key leaders say that they had broken the covenant with God.

I honestly don't really know where I stand anymore on this, I know the easiest stance to take is Christ established a new covenant and that is all that matters but that would be dumb and would require ignoring the entire OT.

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Jeevacatiophon

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God made many covenants. God made a ra9nbow covenant with Moses. Did he break that?

The new covenant refers to the ending of the Mosaic covenant, not the Abrahamic covenant. It's blasphemy for a pastor to teach anything else.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus%2024&version=HCSB

This is the covenant they broke and it was replaced with the new covenant. And that new covenant CLEARLY says it is only with the house of Israel and the house of Judah.

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RedHat

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Why did god break so many cabinets? I guess we know why Jesus was a carpenter.

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Caleb James DeLisle

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The modern Christian perception of God as the all seeing all knowing everything is quite a bit different than the way he is represented in EARLY writings.

In the Old Testament, he's represented as kind of a princess. Jealous that humans may rise to threaten his power. Making and then breaking covenants. Telling lies... etc.