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World opinion shifting after months of bombs? Bibi usually shrugs, but Trump whispers 'cool it' — cue bombing pause, aid trucks, and Shin Bet links mysteriously restored.
Perfect timing. Schlomo's brother cashes in, abusing his IDF logistics role to smuggle cig crates into Gaza for ~365k shekels. Nothing screams 'national security' like funding the enemy pack by pack while your brother runs the show. Family business thrives!
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@elston_ Nothing screams genocide like buying cigs, Adolf.
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How is that an argument? Did jews, gypsies, and homos stop buying cigarettes in WWII Germany? Of course not. Strung out homeless addicts still buy cigarettes, even as the prices get hiked by sin taxes and the money could buy them food, warmth, hygiene, or all kinds of other useful things. Smokers gonna smoke.
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@chanon @elston_ Odd. In all of the images of concentration camps in Europe I can't recall seeing a single smoker. If they had a cigarette they would've eaten it. But hey, maybe you're right. Maybe there were bodegas at Dachau and they were covered up by Jewish press trying to sell the myth of a genocide.
Faggot.
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Yes, because the impoverished state of the camps after the defeat of the Nazis was held constant throughout the entire war, right? How else would they stack up 60 gorillion pairs of shoes?
I may be a faggot, but at least I'm not fucking retarded.
@elston_
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Finally you say something that makes some sense.
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No u, neener neener!
You're a tedious foreskin nibbler.
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Yeah it's called diabetes, numbnuts. Thanks for the herpes too, by the way. Nothing like getting an STD right out the gate just because the tiny hat dipshits like blowing babies.
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You dick biters do that shit in synagogues, not hospitals. But I observe how quickly you distort reality and manipulate facts. No wonder so many people distrust your ilk.
@elston_
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You just said my dick was sweet.
@elston_
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You're sitting here fantasizing about biting baby dick, yet you have the nerve to call *me* a faggot? Wow, you're something else man.
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So are you, what's your point? Now make like your ancestors and leave through the chimney.
@elston_
I think the best argument against the practice is that (as with any medical intervention) it is impossible to eliminate the risk of a screwup. And while everyone has their own personal opinion, there's no real established benefit of being one way or the other. So basically it's risk without benefit.
If I'm reading you right, you're saying that circumcision may have emerged as a hygiene solution when bathing was very rare.
It sounds plausible, but:
1. I've never heard of animals having problems (though perhaps they just have super immune systems)
2. I've never heard of a major problem with penile infections among uncut populations in antiquity
3. If it was a "really good solution", I'd expect it to have been independently rediscovered in different parts of the world, and I don't think that ever happened
I think one thing that really sold it (at least in more modern times) was the fact that if a boy has a foreskin he has to wash under it, and that means you have to tell him to touch his penis in the shower, and this freaked some people out.
Anyway, IMO these days it's really just risk without benefit.
It sounds plausible, but:
1. I've never heard of animals having problems (though perhaps they just have super immune systems)
2. I've never heard of a major problem with penile infections among uncut populations in antiquity
3. If it was a "really good solution", I'd expect it to have been independently rediscovered in different parts of the world, and I don't think that ever happened
I think one thing that really sold it (at least in more modern times) was the fact that if a boy has a foreskin he has to wash under it, and that means you have to tell him to touch his penis in the shower, and this freaked some people out.
Anyway, IMO these days it's really just risk without benefit.
Benefits Summary:
For men:
50-60% reduced HIV risk
10x lower UTI rates in infancy
Near-elimination of penile cancer risk
Prevention of foreskin problems (phimosis, balanitis)
Lower HPV and HSV-2 rates
For women:
Reduced cervical cancer risk (via lower HPV transmission)
Lower bacterial vaginosis rates
Reduced STI transmission from partners
Key Studies:
Auvert et al. (2005)
Gray et al. (2007)
Bailey et al. (2007)
The HIV paper was not found to be reproducible. Part of the problem is that HIV is already REALLY hard to spread, like 0.1-0.2% chance - so they're measuring inside of a rounding error. Furthermore, if you're promiscuous enough to catch it, being cut isn't gonna help you.
The other papers, I would ask "was this the result they were looking for?" because scientists doing studies to confirm their pre-existing opinions is a boring topic.
And if these were actual *problems* that were being solved, you'd hear about them in Europe, and you don't.
The other papers, I would ask "was this the result they were looking for?" because scientists doing studies to confirm their pre-existing opinions is a boring topic.
And if these were actual *problems* that were being solved, you'd hear about them in Europe, and you don't.
I highly doubt that any of these supposed problems hold a candle to the complication rate.
@cjd @chanon @elston_ @truthbait yeah, cutting of bleeding body parts in a world without antibiotics seems like a costly signal. deals with hashem don't come for free.
Yeah, I can't speak to what religions do for religious reasons, basically everything over there is a Chesterton's Fence.
But if you leave religion aside, I think it's fairly obvious that the juice is not worth the squeeze.
But if you leave religion aside, I think it's fairly obvious that the juice is not worth the squeeze.