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@CapitalB

> We would need 14 nuclear power stations and three-five times grid capacity.

14 nuclear power stations? Go to China, that's 14 weeks of solar deployment. They're deploying 1 nuclear plant worth of capacity in solar *per week*.

grid capacity? likely solvable with the newer conductors as the losses are massive

remember you can't just look at the fuel and say "we need this much equivalent in electricity" because petrol/diesel engines are terribly inefficient

@feld plus we already have the highest % of public transport. Tondemand more than anybody else does it bizarre.

@CapitalB does Switzerland have an independent grid? Do you not buy energy from neighbors?

@feld Sometimes. Sometimes we export. In Winter more imports. Why is that important?

@CapitalB you seem to be coming at this problem from the "we need to be able to produce it all ourselves" angle which is insane

do you not import oil?

@feld ok who should give us the electricity?

Germany needed 17GW (NOT GWh, GW!!) redispatch last year. France is toast each summer. Austria has Slowakia/Ukraine or the Balkans (lol) and the Italians are frozen or fry every half year.

Ofc we import oil but YOU urged we all do something different which at this point is physically impossible here.

@CapitalB

> ok who should give us the electricity?

everyone? You have a ton of excess production in the EU which is why the prices go negative. Now just fix the damn infra to make sure it can be delivered to those who need it most.

@feld

Ok, how many 750kV lines should be built? Where exactly? And do you guarantee that a Hellbrise or Dunkelflaute does not fail us?

Draw them lol

Look up the numbers here. We burn TWh/Year fuels. Border electricity is GW at most.

https://www.swissgrid.ch/de/home/operation/grid-data/current-data.html

@feld oh yes we have one. Rail transport has an independent grid.