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@s2208@nicecrew.digital remote
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When Obama beat Romney, someone asked Harry Reid about his hilariously transparent lies about Romney's taxes on the Senate floor. Reid did not address the question as an honest man does. He replied, "It worked, didn't it?"

Lying works. It is powerful. This is a war. Not a Saturday afternoon Republic serial. We need all the weapons we can get.

Once my heritage is secured, by blood or alse, then I will worry about whether I can sleep at night after lying about the people who want me genocided.

(I won't, most likely.)
weknowwhygary

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The reason someone like that needs to be destroyed is because he is a liar. How you win, how you fight, etc, vs why you should fight, why you should win, why the other side should lose.

If you do the exact same thing the other side does, the side that should lose, then you just joined the side that should lose.

Subterfuge in war and lying are not always the same thing. You trick your enemies, but you don't lie to your neighbors. One okay, one bad.

Not that him being on one side of the equation means that the other side, romney, was good. It was two bads in a fight.
James_Dixon

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@weknowwhygary @s2208 @WandererUber > If you do the exact same thing the other side does, the side that should lose, then you just joined the side that should lose.

Tactics are not goals. They are methods to achieve your goals. Someone has never watched the original Star Trek episode "The Savage Curtain".

"ROCK: You are the survivors. The others have run off. It would seem that evil retreats when forcibly confronted. However, you have failed to demonstrate to me any other difference between your philosophies. Your good and your evil use the same methods, achieve the same results. Do you have an explanation?
KIRK: You established the methods and the goals.
ROCK: For you to use as you chose.
KIRK: What did you offer the others if they won?
ROCK: What they wanted most. Power.
KIRK: You offered me the lives of my crew."
weknowwhygary

weknowwhygary

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I could have worded it a little mo' better. As written, it's not correct.

You don't become the same as the enemy by doing what he does, that's bad logic. I didn't mean it that way.

I meant, you don't jettison your morality to win if the reason you should win is because you have that correct morality and your enemy doesn't. That's self defeating.
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Charles_in_Charge

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@weknowwhygary @James_Dixon @s2208 @WandererUber The winner of a conflict is often the one that adapts to and sometimes even adopts the successful tactics of the enemy.

Following the Marquess of Queensberry rules is all well and good in the boxing ring, but in an existential fight, a struggle that will determine if you remain free, if your people vanish under a wave of 3rd world immigration, in that case it's war to the knife, and the knife to the hilt. My grandchildren can worry about being moral, upstanding citizens. I worry there whether or not there will be grandchildren. I've done enough awful things in my life. Lying about the likes of Chuck Schumer would hardly show up on my list of sins.

Hell, I'd club baby seals and burn down nunneries if I seriously thought it would banish these fuckers to the outer darkness.

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