So what I'm seeing here is.........
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Let me guess, the baby was in CPS custody
Perhaps they took the baby from the hospital without paying the bill?
The hospital doesn't get to keep the baby as collateral like a title loan place.
Nah, this looks like CPS took the baby away from the mother right after he was born, and so the parents took the baby back and ran.
CPS loves to take White babies because they can sell them. Nobody will buy the black or brown ones.
Nah, this looks like CPS took the baby away from the mother right after he was born, and so the parents took the baby back and ran.
CPS loves to take White babies because they can sell them. Nobody will buy the black or brown ones.
My first thought also.
They're only interested in family unification when illegal aliens are involved.
So the child is with his father and mother - yet it's an abduction? From whom, the state? I have to stop here, or I will get too angry from what the hospital did to my wife and I with our youngest.
@tyler @MCMLXVIIOTG @Verfassungsschmutz @tiddlywinkler hospitals get no benefit of the doubt anymore. Until proven otherwise, it's some faggots on a power trip. I'm willing to believe the parents have the best interest of the child and the hospitals only care that you do what they say, and money.
This is a direct attack on the sovereignty of the family unit and I want the heads of all those who would attack it on pikes.
> You have a right to determine the course of your child's medical treatment unless the hospital, who is not a court, orders otherwise.
Is there actually any legal basis for any of this or is this just a new form of tyranny? Actually asking considering how much Talmudic nonsense our laws have become.
It happened to my wife and I two out of three deliveries. They threatened to call cps. In one instance when I went lawyer, they isolated my wife to ask her if I was abusive. She told them to fuck off. (I'm nice af to my wife btw).
I then went lawyer about their tactics and got my child and wife discharged immediately. I'm just glad my wife is savvy enough to play the game. I acquired discharge in the other case as well.
Nonetheless, this is common. I feel bad for laymen who don't know how to bait the doctors into fucking up, so you can make them sweat. Doctors are deathly afraid of malpractice, losing their licenses, etc as covid showed.
I then went lawyer about their tactics and got my child and wife discharged immediately. I'm just glad my wife is savvy enough to play the game. I acquired discharge in the other case as well.
Nonetheless, this is common. I feel bad for laymen who don't know how to bait the doctors into fucking up, so you can make them sweat. Doctors are deathly afraid of malpractice, losing their licenses, etc as covid showed.
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@Humpleupagus @MCMLXVIIOTG @Verfassungsschmutz @tiddlywinkler @tyler @EnnaComa @WhitestTemplar what pretense would they even have to do this kind of thing? like what treatment are they demanding that you don't want? vaccines I'm guessing are a part of it
It doesn't matter. They'd just say that without discharge, the child wasn't cleared to leave. That's why I pushed in both cases.... "what's the medical reason the child can't be discharged." They usually say "were waiting to see...." in which case you ask "see what? Name a specific condition which requires current hospitalization or is likely to result in a life threatening emergency requiring immediate care in the next few hours (and in the first case... if it's so important, why isn't anyone on staff to provide care in such an emergency).
Like I said, in most cases they're trying to increase billing and can't give real justifications.
In the end you say, so you can't give me any medical justification for refusing discharge, so you must discharge. If you don't, there are remedies and you're not going to like them.
Like I said, in most cases they're trying to increase billing and can't give real justifications.
In the end you say, so you can't give me any medical justification for refusing discharge, so you must discharge. If you don't, there are remedies and you're not going to like them.
@Humpleupagus @MCMLXVIIOTG @Verfassungsschmutz @tiddlywinkler @tyler @EnnaComa @WhitestTemplar so it's literally just bureaucrats on a power trip eh? fucking typical
Doctors and lawyers approach matter completely differently.
The lawyer can think his clients an idiot, but the job is to find every rule and argument and tactic that facilitates the client's goal. The client chooses what he wants, the lawyer is a means.
A doctor chooses the ends and the means. He thinks you're an idiot and he knows best. So yeah... he's just an administrator, and you're not human. You're just a chart and tests.
The lawyer can think his clients an idiot, but the job is to find every rule and argument and tactic that facilitates the client's goal. The client chooses what he wants, the lawyer is a means.
A doctor chooses the ends and the means. He thinks you're an idiot and he knows best. So yeah... he's just an administrator, and you're not human. You're just a chart and tests.
And if a lawyer leaks things his client told him in confidence, he's disbarred for it.
For doctors it's the normal course of business.
For doctors it's the normal course of business.
There's no doctor-patient privilege. Subpoening that information is work-a-day for many firms in all sorts of cases.
Your insurer gets the entire file too.
Your insurer gets the entire file too.
And any little government / insurance / pharma "rat on your patients" thing.
The medical profession is a total disaster.
The medical profession is a total disaster.
In california, lawyers are only required to report if they believe there is risk of immediate bodily harm, e.g. murder.
Anything less that is illegal requires "quiet" recusal.
Where a motion is required recusal is basically "I have a legal reason" without more.
Anything less that is illegal requires "quiet" recusal.
Where a motion is required recusal is basically "I have a legal reason" without more.
The whole "no more secrets" thing re the other thread is going to eventually ๐ the medical profession.
That and also the fact that ChatGPT can already do what they do, but better, and the only reason they're still here is institutional / cultural momentum.
That and also the fact that ChatGPT can already do what they do, but better, and the only reason they're still here is institutional / cultural momentum.
I cant wait for DoctorGPT to hallucinate my prescriptions.
>No officer, I don't know why DMT was shipped to my house.
>No officer, I don't know why DMT was shipped to my house.
Prescriptions is one thing it's actually fairly good at, because all you need for it is pattern matching what a person says to what is written in books. They did some testing already and found that it's better on average than doctors...
I've been using Gemini AI regularly just to get a handle on how it works and how it's going to integrate into daily life.
One of the funny details is that it will tell you something, with absolute confidence, that is completely untrue. Either an AI hallucination or it was simply trained on false information.
One such instance was I didn't feel like walking to my car to look at the sill plate to see what the GVWR is. It's a 2400lb car. Gemini told me with absolute confidence that the GVWR is 5900lbs. I asked it to verify that and it told me again, yes, the GWWR is 5900lbs.
Luckily for me I'm not stupid enough to believe that and was expecting a number around 3400lbs, so I didn't go to Home Depot and put 1.5 tons of bricks in my tiny sedan and end up driving down the road with sparks shooting out from under my completely bottomed-out car.
But if people stop using their critical thinking skills (or never develop them in the first place) and let AI make stupid decisions with absolute confidence in them, then Idiocracy here we come.
One of the funny details is that it will tell you something, with absolute confidence, that is completely untrue. Either an AI hallucination or it was simply trained on false information.
One such instance was I didn't feel like walking to my car to look at the sill plate to see what the GVWR is. It's a 2400lb car. Gemini told me with absolute confidence that the GVWR is 5900lbs. I asked it to verify that and it told me again, yes, the GWWR is 5900lbs.
Luckily for me I'm not stupid enough to believe that and was expecting a number around 3400lbs, so I didn't go to Home Depot and put 1.5 tons of bricks in my tiny sedan and end up driving down the road with sparks shooting out from under my completely bottomed-out car.
But if people stop using their critical thinking skills (or never develop them in the first place) and let AI make stupid decisions with absolute confidence in them, then Idiocracy here we come.
We're still in an era that you need to be smarter than the AI you're using. And that may never end. BTW Gemini is one of the *worst*. Claude is the best, GPT is probably second best at this point.
Critical thinking skills will remain important regardless of how good AI gets. Critical thinking is what prevents or ends something like what happened in the Milgram experiment.
Gemini is legitimately terrible, any time spent with it has been a total waste.
I'm using Gemini because it's already on my android phone and I can't be arsed to install a different AI. And it's not the Microsoft Copilot AI, which I killed with fire as quickly as possible because fuck Microsoft.
> it's already on my android phone
NGMI
NGMI
> Claude is the best
And it still one-shotted this dudeโs production database despite having explicit safeguards in place
https://x.com/lifeof_jer/status/2048103471019434248
And it still one-shotted this dudeโs production database despite having explicit safeguards in place
https://x.com/lifeof_jer/status/2048103471019434248
Yeah I love how every once in a while Claude is like "this guy's a moron, lets just rmrf his production server"
>> Claude is the best
>And it still one-shotted this dudeโs production database despite having explicit safeguards in place
Don't forget trained-to-destroy-paintings (Banksy better run)
>And it still one-shotted this dudeโs production database despite having explicit safeguards in place
Don't forget trained-to-destroy-paintings (Banksy better run)
Unless you need your appendix removed but that is probably just a matter of time.
Yes. Currently surgery is still done partially by hand, but they're using AI robots to help surgeons already - so like the doctor controls what gets cut and the AI makes sure the cut is steady and smooth and do on.
@Humpleupagus @EnnaComa @MCMLXVIIOTG @Verfassungsschmutz @WhitestTemplar @tiddlywinkler @tyler you see that with a lot of people-- some people you know you're gonna get static no matter what unless you play some disgusting manipulative shit to make them think it's their idea to let you go. I fucking hate people like that. usually minorities tbh
And they will do what they can to bring in the money. In one instance the goal was definitely to get extra money for room time. They claimed they didn't have a doctor on staff at to discharge. I was like.... wtf do you mean you don't have a doctor on staff? You're a hospital. Who's care are my wife and child under at this moment should something happen?
In that case, they charged us for 3 days worth of rooms when we were there less than 24 hours.
> 1 day delivery room
> 1 day post delivery room
> 1 day recovery room
> Total: $10k
I offered them $5k. They said "no." I never paid, and they never did shit about it.
> 1 day delivery room
> 1 day post delivery room
> 1 day recovery room
> Total: $10k
I offered them $5k. They said "no." I never paid, and they never did shit about it.
Interesting, though I am more interested in whether or not any of that could actually legally justify law enforcement involvement.
It's easy to legally involve law enforcement. You call them and say "Something happened." They show up and get involved.
It pays to at least know your rights whenever you are going to interact with any sort of authority. I'm not a lawyer, but I've dealt with cops and had to hire lawyers to navigate the system, and picked up a few things that you'll also see on Youtube. It can be hard to actually do the things if you don't have a lawyer who is YOUR lawyer telling you not to, because we get trained from an early age to be susceptible to the very manipulations they use.
One thing to know about CPS involvement is that they are generally not "officers" and can't simply take your child away from you in a lot of instances, but they'll act official and say "I'm going to take your child," and people will say "oh, okay" and let them, instead of saying, "Get off my property."
You'll notice in that picture it says the parents were "detained." That simply means that the police took them into temporary custody (not arrest) while figuring out if a crime had been committed. Since it doesn't say "arrested," it sounds like the cops took them into investigative custody long enough to decide that a crime had NOT been committed and let them go.
I would like to know if they maintained custody of their child after that happened or if the government thugs took the baby again.
It pays to at least know your rights whenever you are going to interact with any sort of authority. I'm not a lawyer, but I've dealt with cops and had to hire lawyers to navigate the system, and picked up a few things that you'll also see on Youtube. It can be hard to actually do the things if you don't have a lawyer who is YOUR lawyer telling you not to, because we get trained from an early age to be susceptible to the very manipulations they use.
One thing to know about CPS involvement is that they are generally not "officers" and can't simply take your child away from you in a lot of instances, but they'll act official and say "I'm going to take your child," and people will say "oh, okay" and let them, instead of saying, "Get off my property."
You'll notice in that picture it says the parents were "detained." That simply means that the police took them into temporary custody (not arrest) while figuring out if a crime had been committed. Since it doesn't say "arrested," it sounds like the cops took them into investigative custody long enough to decide that a crime had NOT been committed and let them go.
I would like to know if they maintained custody of their child after that happened or if the government thugs took the baby again.
Another thing to pay close attention to is "Hospital policy" is not "law." There may be laws that you and the hospital both need to follow regarding how and when a patient under care is allowed to leave, but the hospital can't just make up their own "law" and have it enforced by the government. They can make policy and then say, "this is how we do things here," and you can say, "I'm not going to do that."
I just find it kind of telling that it's not illegal to have a child at home and no hospitalization is required by law, but if you deliver at a hospital, you can't just walk out with the baby. Why? It can't be about child safety or we would have outlawed home birth, plus the result is not any different. In both cases someone had a baby and it is at home at some point in time. It can only be about billing.
I think it might be a broader issue in that hospitals generally want to claim some "custody" of any person who falls under their care, and those people are often unable to speak for themselves. Either it's an unconscious or altered adult, or a child who doesn't have legal standing to make their own decisions.
It makes sense in a way to give hospitals some leeway here, because you get somebody who'd got six broken bones and is knocked out from an accident, you can't really wake them up and have them direct their own care in sound mind. So the staff has to make executive decisions on their behalf.
The problem arises when they've built up such a bureaucracy around that idea that they hospital staff start to think they're in a little kingdom where what they say goes.
It makes sense in a way to give hospitals some leeway here, because you get somebody who'd got six broken bones and is knocked out from an accident, you can't really wake them up and have them direct their own care in sound mind. So the staff has to make executive decisions on their behalf.
The problem arises when they've built up such a bureaucracy around that idea that they hospital staff start to think they're in a little kingdom where what they say goes.
This is one particular case though, and both Tyler and I have experienced it. Holding a healthy child from discharge without reason and nearly immediately threatening to call cps if the parents attenpt to exercise their and their child's rights to self-determination.
@Humpleupagus @MCMLXVIIOTG @Verfassungsschmutz @tiddlywinkler @tyler @EnnaComa @WhitestTemplar
Hospital administrators have names and addresses.
Hospital administrators have names and addresses.
1. Our entire medical system is fucked. Don't get me started. I won't sleep.
2. I hate doctors. See 1
2. I hate doctors. See 1
It could. If the child was taken without discharge, they will call cps. That's why I forced discharge both times.
I think the law is bullshit, because it allows doctors to create the conditions of a crime, and even legally kidnap children under an un-adjudicated interested "expert' opinion. But I don't write the laws. ๐
I think the law is bullshit, because it allows doctors to create the conditions of a crime, and even legally kidnap children under an un-adjudicated interested "expert' opinion. But I don't write the laws. ๐