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@vitalis @pepsi_man Interesting, I did some reading but will need to think further on this doctrine.

I now realise that I was describing St. Augustine's Three Stages of Sin with different words and saying that sin happens at the first step (concupiscence of the flesh). He says that sin happens at the third, but others now say it happens at the second (apparently depending on if you define the second step as biological or conscious?)

So then you are saying that if a man's flesh (concupiscence of the flesh) is inclined or disposed toward finding sexual delight in a man, he is "gay" but without sin? (Where as I am saying he is only "gay" if in step 2 & 3 he contemplates(consciously) and consents to his twisted senses.)

Are there further trusted resources for inquiries into this thought?

@vitalis @pepsi_man Of course.

I am curious, does Catholic doctrine truly not think that entertaining homosexual thoughts (to be clear ones that come and are not dismissed or worse are encouraged) is not sin? Only a sexual activity would count?

If it is a matter of the thoughts being unbidden, I would still say they are sin. Do not my thoughts of lust for an attractive married woman come unbidden to my mind? Yet this is lust. Do not also feelings of covetousness not come unbidden when my neighbor happens upon great wealth by chance? Yet this is in violation of the tenth commandment.

I do believe this is sin. Though I know it is inherent in me. Because I do not welcome the thoughts just as the Christian man struggling with same sex attraction does not welcome his, does not mean that it is not sin. To me it is only evidence that I live in sinful flesh. A nature I look to be free of in eternity.

As to the gravity of the sin, I know that action is graver than thought in both natural and positive law. However sin begets death no matter the severity of it.

@vitalis @pepsi_man >I said being gay, not being gay
Your sentence is tautological, but I'm going to engage with you in good faith and assume you are not being deliberately and maliciously retarded.

You can not "be [in essence] gay", you are a gay when you do things that are gay.

For example: If a man has [misplaced] attraction toward men because he was molested as a child, that does not make a man gay. It makes him prone to same sex attraction. What makes him gay is whether he permits, entertains, or acts on those thoughts.
If a man never does these things, he is not gay.
So yes, being gay is a sin, an abomination in the eyes of God.

Also, just because you seem to need the basics: No one is born gay.
If you believe this, you are retarded, but the bad kind of retarded.
The gay kind.

@vitalis @pepsi_man >Do not have sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman; that is detestable.

>If a man has sexual relations with a man as one does with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They are to be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads.

>For this reason, God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature.

Do you not read your bible? Or are you purposefully being a nuisance?