I actually do think we'd have gotten a couple more regime changes under Kamala, just not Iran specifically. And everybody would be pretending they weren't USA-executed regime changes under their pathetic democratic leader, like Syria.
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@sun I’ve gotten to the point where, as someone who would never in a million years vote for Donald Fucking Trump as president, I think I finally get it. to the extent I’m able as somebody who is left-aligned at a bone deep level anyway (although still sorting out whether that means center-left statist or something more anarchist in nature.. I’m woefully deficient on theory)
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@clawfulneutral there is a reason people tried trump, especially over kamala. there was a pervasive feeling that she was just the same old shit and people gave up and wanted a completely different thing.
@sun for me the tipping poi t was understanding that one doesn’t have to Be Racist™ or Be Fascist™ or even have strong authoritarian leanings to do that, because people exist in different epistemological bubbles, it’s literally possible to not be a piece of shit and come to the conclusion Trump is worth a try, even when he has a large bloc of pieces of shit backing him 1000%
@clawfulneutral I know someone who voted for trump the first time because hillary fucked over bernie in the primaries and she realized that actual democracy was impossible
@sun @clawfulneutral that works for Hillary vs. Trump, but in 2024 Kamala was more of an unknown than Trump.
I think the main domestic difference would be Kamala tossing red meat to insane leftists which is both more harmful in the long run and less systematically opposed than Trump's red meat to rightists. There isn't a revolting judiciary, or defiant governors, or reckless protests, or a wailing media, or an adversarial Congress, when a Democratic President maliciously puts the screws to political enemies in the country. Trump's been dumb as shit but he's also done some good and exposed a ton of evil, and I think the truly awful stuff he's still done was in line with US continuity of agenda and would have happened anyway. Even digital ID would be happening "to combat extremist rhetoric" instead of "to protect children".
In foreign policy, other countries would like us a lot more, and the world economy wouldn't have been whimsically jerked around by chaotic tariff adjustments, and maybe the wars would've had less capeshit lawlessness.
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I think the main domestic difference would be Kamala tossing red meat to insane leftists which is both more harmful in the long run and less systematically opposed than Trump's red meat to rightists. There isn't a revolting judiciary, or defiant governors, or reckless protests, or a wailing media, or an adversarial Congress, when a Democratic President maliciously puts the screws to political enemies in the country. Trump's been dumb as shit but he's also done some good and exposed a ton of evil, and I think the truly awful stuff he's still done was in line with US continuity of agenda and would have happened anyway. Even digital ID would be happening "to combat extremist rhetoric" instead of "to protect children".
In foreign policy, other countries would like us a lot more, and the world economy wouldn't have been whimsically jerked around by chaotic tariff adjustments, and maybe the wars would've had less capeshit lawlessness.
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@apropos @clawfulneutral no you're right trump was more of a known quantity that wasn't gpoing to fix things the second time around and mainly retards voted for him the second time. nevertheless I don't thjink they realized he was going to be beholden to israel. maybe they should have though
@sun @clawfulneutral oh yeah, Israel wasn't clearly indicated on the ticket at all. Both Trump himself and his VP and many members of his administration ran against what he's doing right now.
@apropos @clawfulneutral there ARE some interesting bots right now running for democrats saying things like "I am republican and NEVER voted for him, I always saw what he was" wait a minute, you're against him now that he's almost perfectly aligned with neocons? lol
@clawfulneutral @sun I've seen a lot of seething comments, and the biggest plan-truster around has made unwisely extremely firm positions on what a good idea attacking Iran was. He might blackpill himself if he's not getting paid to trust this hard.
@clawfulneutral @apropos sadly the main people left supporting him the third time around seem to have swallowed the hook even when he plainly did the opposite of what he said. I have truly and completely realized that most americans aren't intrinsically against war, which is sad.
@sun @apropos there’s a certain subset of human beings (across all cultures, rightoid and leftoid alike) who are especially susceptible to being cult followers, I guess the main question is what percent of humanity do they constitute and how many of them are running various organs of social and logistical control in any given scenario
@clawfulneutral @apropos the good news is I think if they have a good leader that they are nudged to do good.
@clawfulneutral @apropos there are evil people at the top but even people that do evil usually would do good under an incentive system. sure it would be better if they were just intrinsically good but
@clawfulneutral @sun you're probably thinking of some monkey example like this: if there's a novel threat and everyone reacts the same way, then if that's a deadly way to react, everyone dies. If there's a novel threat and people react differently, there's more of a chance that some of those reactions are life-prolonging.
For example, if you freeze in front of an unfamiliar predator, you may avoid stimulating the predator into easily chasing you down, or else you may be missing out on your limited window to escape.
For example, if you freeze in front of an unfamiliar predator, you may avoid stimulating the predator into easily chasing you down, or else you may be missing out on your limited window to escape.
@apropos @clawfulneutral sometimes your type only exists to get eaten to keep the ecosystem running, or to be a human shield for the queen
@clawfulneutral @sun to put it in a nice way, people want to be right. People want to be in the right, and have the moral highground, and have only scum who deserve it for enemies.
There is a yearning for righteousness in the heart of every man, and it is like other yearnings for food or comfort or abundance, and it is also like these other yearnings in a bad way: it can be perverted, like these towards gluttony, lust, and sloth.
Men want righteousness but they can be given war propaganda as substitute.
There is a yearning for righteousness in the heart of every man, and it is like other yearnings for food or comfort or abundance, and it is also like these other yearnings in a bad way: it can be perverted, like these towards gluttony, lust, and sloth.
Men want righteousness but they can be given war propaganda as substitute.
@sun @clawfulneutral It's not that they wanted a different thing it was more so of knowing the devil you already knew. We already had Trump once. We had 4 years of weekend at Biden's with the autopen and Cackles. Their mismanagement of Covid especially regarding the vaccine mandates is what set me over the edge with the dems. I voted for Trump 3 times only the first time did I vote for him with any optimism the 2nd and 3rd term were not with any eccentrism and I was wondering when he got re-elected how long he was gonna it was gonna take him to go back to his habits of performing auto-fellatio for Israel and it's lobbyists.
I liked populist candidate 2015 Trump. I really hate Zionist Neo-cons I remember well the Dubya/Cheney years from 2000-2008 since that was the formative years of my adolescence / early adulthood. Outside of evangelicals in the south and war hawks Dubya was not really liked except for a brief period after 9/11. I still think Israel and our own goverment was behind that one as they had the most to gain from it happening and laying the foundations to the orwellian / surveillance state nightmware we are living today with the patriot act and the push for AI / digital identification.
President Trump in 2026 has strayed so far away from the populist 2015 candidate version of him. I got a lot of family who still blindly support him and have butted heads since I don't blindly think everything he does is great. The far left media's constant muddying the waters with criticisms on the retarded identity politics and not the legit problems was likely intentional to help push along their agenda.
I liked populist candidate 2015 Trump. I really hate Zionist Neo-cons I remember well the Dubya/Cheney years from 2000-2008 since that was the formative years of my adolescence / early adulthood. Outside of evangelicals in the south and war hawks Dubya was not really liked except for a brief period after 9/11. I still think Israel and our own goverment was behind that one as they had the most to gain from it happening and laying the foundations to the orwellian / surveillance state nightmware we are living today with the patriot act and the push for AI / digital identification.
President Trump in 2026 has strayed so far away from the populist 2015 candidate version of him. I got a lot of family who still blindly support him and have butted heads since I don't blindly think everything he does is great. The far left media's constant muddying the waters with criticisms on the retarded identity politics and not the legit problems was likely intentional to help push along their agenda.
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I really hate the identity politics on the left and it's not just me but a lot of moderates as well. Their constant barraging of people just wanting to mind their own business with their bullshit pushed people towards the conservatives kind of creating their own problem. The biggest thing I butt heads with on conservatives right now is the Israel issue.
I kind of wish this country had a better class of politicians and leaders who actually worked for their own countrymen and not Davos and Tel-Aviv.
I really hate the identity politics on the left and it's not just me but a lot of moderates as well. Their constant barraging of people just wanting to mind their own business with their bullshit pushed people towards the conservatives kind of creating their own problem. The biggest thing I butt heads with on conservatives right now is the Israel issue.
I kind of wish this country had a better class of politicians and leaders who actually worked for their own countrymen and not Davos and Tel-Aviv.
@ooignignoktoo @clawfulneutral it really does seem like cenk and ana are fed up with a lot of identity shit too, at least in the short term. of course don't trust anybody too much