is there a traditional forum style site that federates using apub?
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Don't know but I'd doubt it since forum threads are "places" and therefore have ownership, and IDK if federated moderation exists.
Twitter style model works with federation since everyone chooses who to follow....
Twitter style model works with federation since everyone chooses who to follow....
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz Thinking this would basically be APUB groups
so like your instance needs to let people in to be part of your threads?
(They should just do federated whitelists à la BGP)
(They should just do federated whitelists à la BGP)
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz groups live on instances and inside groups contain long form forum threads.
Lemmy and kbin are trying to be reddit-like, but I that's the closest I'm aware of.
@nicholas@aklp.club reddit's model (votimg and karma) is horrible, the culture and users it brings along i dont want to interact with.
That said, it might work to take something like that and stub the vooting code out.
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club i'd rather make federated voice chat a thing
IMO biggest impact will be when someone makes a pleroma/masto like thing where user identities are masked.
So like, it generates random user ids per-thread, and when you click follow (incl. from another instance), it internally knows whose posts to send to you, but it'll just send everything to you using a random ID that you followed in the past.
Probably if someone you follow comments on a thread, it should just shoot you the OP of that thread instead of their comment.
If you unfollow an ID, it goes to the last thread it gave you with that ID as the originator and unfollow the user that caused it to be sent to you. So unfollow is a bit heuristic.
So like, it generates random user ids per-thread, and when you click follow (incl. from another instance), it internally knows whose posts to send to you, but it'll just send everything to you using a random ID that you followed in the past.
Probably if someone you follow comments on a thread, it should just shoot you the OP of that thread instead of their comment.
If you unfollow an ID, it goes to the last thread it gave you with that ID as the originator and unfollow the user that caused it to be sent to you. So unfollow is a bit heuristic.
What is the benefit of not having persistent identities across threads? Seems like that would break any social aspect.
@nicholas@aklp.club @cjd@pkteerium.xyz 4chan style ephemerality
To expand on that a bit: With persistent identity, peoples' thoughts are filtered through a self-image.
To give an extreme example: look at L*nkedin. Everything is slop, because everyone's self-image on that wubsut is a "Good Team Member". Nothing unique or intelligent is ever posted because sharing unique and intelligent ideas with one's persistent identity requires risk-taking.
Another shit example is Instagram. It's all whores pretending to be happy. Why are they pretending? Self image. Therefore no honest signal can surface, the place goes to shit.
You want to remove the filter? Take away the identity, don't even ALLOW someone to say who they are. A thought stands alone or it doesn't, that's that. Risk of posting something unique and intelligent: zero. No identity, no risk. Value of posting slop: Also essentially zero. No social climbing possible.
This is why *chan culture drove internet culture throughout the 2010s. These days it's all undermined and controlled and full of slop generators, which is why federating it and bolting on a heuristic follow model would be a good idea.
To give an extreme example: look at L*nkedin. Everything is slop, because everyone's self-image on that wubsut is a "Good Team Member". Nothing unique or intelligent is ever posted because sharing unique and intelligent ideas with one's persistent identity requires risk-taking.
Another shit example is Instagram. It's all whores pretending to be happy. Why are they pretending? Self image. Therefore no honest signal can surface, the place goes to shit.
You want to remove the filter? Take away the identity, don't even ALLOW someone to say who they are. A thought stands alone or it doesn't, that's that. Risk of posting something unique and intelligent: zero. No identity, no risk. Value of posting slop: Also essentially zero. No social climbing possible.
This is why *chan culture drove internet culture throughout the 2010s. These days it's all undermined and controlled and full of slop generators, which is why federating it and bolting on a heuristic follow model would be a good idea.
Oh yeah, lets not forget everybody's favorite internet sewage containment area. Identity, karma points, and voting, oh my...
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club imo just have an account per server which anyone on the server can post from. much easier to implement.
Works indeed. Does not automatically seek higher SNR, but admin knows who is posting so he can ban if it gets out of hand.
I like my version because it retains the follower model -> SNR will tend to rise over time. But more work so yeah... Your version is like an FE and a `POST /api/v1/toilet` endpoint (can't give users full access to the account)
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club indeed it would be a post only endpoint with no access to user settings
Could probably vibecode this while drunk tbh
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club i mean i'd rather not vibecode anything ever
I would but nothing I work on is ever conducive to it.
Today: Race condition in PCIe hardware setup sequence 😱
Today: Race condition in PCIe hardware setup sequence 😱
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club
knock knock
who's th-race condition
That's why you'd have to be drunk.
@nicholas@aklp.club @cjd@pkteerium.xyz i dont drink
A real catch 22 then.
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club you can think of servers beimg thier own boards and interboard threads are like citing >>>/pol/12345
@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @nicholas@aklp.club you can retain tribal identity this way
@nicholas@aklp.club @cjd@pkteerium.xyz it would appear as the domain name itself with no @ user component.
Hmmm, been a while since I played around with them. I don't recall voting, it would be tricky with federation, you see 6 votes but I see 8, etc.
I mean they have an analog of subs divided by topic area, then threads are generated by a 'post' to which comments are replies.