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sparking of discord, as much as I'd like people to use alternatives, there sadly isn't really one that's all that reliable

xmpp and matrix both have encryption management issues, irc lacks so much features, signal and telegram are both centralized and in the case of the latter has been under pressure from lawmakers

yeah... this is the world we live in

@mikoto foss devs need to step up if they want people to use their software. discord is better than matrix, irc and xmpp. source: people actually use it. we need to build systems that people actually want to use, not systems that we want people to use.

@lain @mikoto who wants to whine about xmpp and matrix sucking dog anus:
Who wants to write the ridiculously shit codebases that makes them suck: :
Who wants to actually write a normal chat protocol and usable client: :fuckingNOBODY:

@meso @mikoto @lain big question is who wants normies around anyway. it's like inviting a methhead to shit on your carpet.

@bonifartius @meso @mikoto who might want normies around? it is an absolute mystery.

@lain @mikoto @meso good that there's no shortage of normies, just go outside 💁