the khazar myth is edgy but if you want to insult ashkenazi jews by saying were not "tru israelites" while remaining accurate, dont call us slavs or turks, call us romans. its much more accurate, were like half descended from southern italian converts, also it names us after our enemies.
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@georgia only true Israelite
@meowski @technolyze not sure why im arguing with you because believing debunked and fringe theories is your entire thing but ehran elhaiks studies are fringe and so are the linguistic theories of wexler (I actually know a little bit about linguistics and no one else uses "relexification" as liberally as him). theyre literally the only mentionable academics supporting the khazar myth, no one else takes them seriously at all. elhaiks modus operandi as a mendacious academic is quite consistent, he always either uses tools no one else uses because of their unreliability or he chooses proxies stupidly and with clear bias, like choosing azerbaijani jews (descended from Iraqi jews) and armenians (who are mediterranean not turkic) for khazars and choosing beduoins (arabians) for Israelites. instead of choosing say, Tatars (turkic) and Druze (found in syria and closely related to all major jewish groups). the fact is almost all studies find significant and even predominant southern euro admixture along with middle eastern, and "ashkenazi jews are descended from Israelites and roman converts to judaism" plainly explains this.
@meowski @technolyze druze often consider themselves just arabians but their origins may be more complex given things like their ties to jews and lebanese who both have significant canaanite origins.
@georgia @technolyze this is fine to debate this. i just can't get behind any 3rd temple building, red heifer sacrificing fanatics because of twisted interpretation of prophecy, and stealing and bombing people's homes on flimsy questionable genetic evidence that these fanatics think justifies any atrocity and gives them a right to some land that can't claim any direct link to for at the past 1200 years. even if for argument's sake, diaspora jews were 100% descended from ancient israelites, i STILL would reject the premise of the right of return
Jesus came to fulfill the law, and that inheritance belongs to everyone regardless of nationality or ancestry and we're all God's chosen people now.
Jesus came to fulfill the law, and that inheritance belongs to everyone regardless of nationality or ancestry and we're all God's chosen people now.
@meowski @technolyze I agree with the last part and that no one should be dispossessed, but people have been dispossessed again and again in the history of Canaan. it returning to being partly jewish (btw the middle eastern ashk ancestry isnt tentative its 25-60 percent by all reliable studies) is just part of that history, so as long as no more atrocities and dispossession happen in both a palestinian and an israeli state then were good. the major obstacle to peace right now is that leadership on both sides is recalcitrant, while the Israelis are actively commiting apartheid and a genocide as well. let's hope all that ends.
@georgia @technolyze the modern state of israel itself is founded on fake atrocity propaganda (the holocaust)
how far do we have to go back to reset, to say "no more atrocities?" after right now? cause israel just killed 70000 innocent people by carpet bombing gaza because 1500 people died, most of whom were actually killed by their own military, in a deliberate stand-down LIHOP that they knew was coming.
so what about those people whose land and homes and children have now been blown up? does that count, or are we re-setting after that?
the modern state of israel is an abomination. i want nothing to do with it. the USA will be cursed because of our relationship with it.
frankly it's such a mess there, i can't begin to offer a solution, other than cut off their free welfare and weapons that i shouldn't be responsible for, and let them sort it out
how far do we have to go back to reset, to say "no more atrocities?" after right now? cause israel just killed 70000 innocent people by carpet bombing gaza because 1500 people died, most of whom were actually killed by their own military, in a deliberate stand-down LIHOP that they knew was coming.
so what about those people whose land and homes and children have now been blown up? does that count, or are we re-setting after that?
the modern state of israel is an abomination. i want nothing to do with it. the USA will be cursed because of our relationship with it.
frankly it's such a mess there, i can't begin to offer a solution, other than cut off their free welfare and weapons that i shouldn't be responsible for, and let them sort it out
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@meowski @technolyze sorry I didn't read after the denying the Holocaust part. just means the rest of your post is probably a waste of time.
@georgia @technolyze the sacred myth that can never be questioned and justifies everything. well that's your loss. keep on believing in a fairy tale if you want but it doesn't stand up to investigation
@meowski @technolyze youre wrong. almost every revisionist myth ive ever seen is handily deconstructed and debunked at https://www.nizkor.org
go read that site and maybe then well talk
go read that site and maybe then well talk
@technolyze @georgia there was no systematic gassing of 6 million jews
yes, jews died in forced labor camps, mostly of disease, and also being bombed by allies. and yes i believe hitler was a nut job and don't love hitler
yes, jews died in forced labor camps, mostly of disease, and also being bombed by allies. and yes i believe hitler was a nut job and don't love hitler
@meowski @technolyze about 6 million jews still died or it wouldnt have taken until now for the world jewish population to rebound. a million of them were shot by death squads, many were gassed, and many died of starvation and disease. it had multiple methods but was still a deliberate and systemic genocide. look at nizkor, talk some other time.
@georgia @technolyze the numbers don't add up and muh 6 million was used and reused repeatedly over the past 100 years. that's some kind of a psyop. i believe the number is probably closer to 1 million.
if the japanese had won WW2 we'd be having this conversation about the 6 million japanese gassed in the internment camps or something. history is written by the victors, but there are too many problems with the story. i can't buy into it
if the japanese had won WW2 we'd be having this conversation about the 6 million japanese gassed in the internment camps or something. history is written by the victors, but there are too many problems with the story. i can't buy into it
@meowski @technolyze yeah sorry youre just incredibly wrong. like i said, almost every argument raised by revisionists is addressed on nizkor. the comparison to japanese people is almost ridiculous. go do your welding.
@georgia @technolyze
don't you find this recuring 6 million figure to be a bit odd? they always choose the same special numbers like the "40 babies beheaded by hamas" (totally fake)
don't you find this recuring 6 million figure to be a bit odd? they always choose the same special numbers like the "40 babies beheaded by hamas" (totally fake)
@meowski @technolyze youre not going to convince me, I actually have read most of nizkor.org. all the "just asking questions" like yours totally fall apart
@georgia @technolyze oh i'm well past just asking questions. i'm totally convinced that the real number is less than 1 million and there were no mass execution gas chambers.
that's not to say that some jews didn't die, or that hitler loved jews or anything. far from it. i'm just not buying the 6 gorillion hoax any more
that's not to say that some jews didn't die, or that hitler loved jews or anything. far from it. i'm just not buying the 6 gorillion hoax any more
@meowski @technolyze you have the right to be wrong, and even to think youre better than me because youre wrong, but youre still wrong
@technolyze @georgia people don't have to be lying to be wrong
@technolyze @georgia yes it is a vast conspiracy and many of those stories of horrors have been proven fake and admitted lies.
anyway i have shop work to do ...
anyway i have shop work to do ...
@meowski @georgia traumatized people on the verge of starvation might imagine greater things happening it is possible, and charlatans did exist that made what were essentially pornographic filth. But what you propose still suggest a conspiracy between essentially all survivors masterfully gaslighting the various diaspora of where they ended up.
@technolyze @georgia your problem could be that you still haven't figured out just how much of what you've been taught is fake.
@meowski @technolyze this is just cherry picked sources pinned together to form a false narrative
@georgia @technolyze well let me ask you this, would you at least be open to the idea that it's not *exactly* 6 million jews that died?
@meowski @technolyze obviously its not exactly that, thats just a very good estimate that mirrors the change in actual population
@meowski @georgia @technolyze the Nazis deliberately destroyed records to obfuscate this, BTW. Only a very small amount of hard numbers from the death camps survive, and they're pretty significant.
@yakmacker @georgia @technolyze when you look at the details of the layout of the camps, the capacity that would be needed to gas and incinerate 6 million people or bury them in mass graves, it doens't work out. not even close. the infrastructure wasn't right and the bodies haven't been found. it's the old "gas chambers with wooden doors" thing. totally impractical and not plausible on so many levels.
as far as the records, you're talking about a time when everything was on paper and the records were not that great but at the time estimates of the numbers of people dying in those camps were around 500k not 6m
as far as the records, you're talking about a time when everything was on paper and the records were not that great but at the time estimates of the numbers of people dying in those camps were around 500k not 6m
@meowski @georgia @yakmacker https://www.auschwitz.org/en/stop-denial/wooden-doors-in-gas-chambers/#:~:text=%22Murder%20was%20impossible%20because%20the,those%20of%20the%20gas%20chambers. well if wooden doors didn’t work then the excuse the rooms were used to fumigate for bugs is also impossible, the doors weren’t simply wood as well, they were layers of wood, cement like material and lined with felt to seal.
@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker i really do think they were probably delousinng the prisoners not gassing them to death
@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze the dose of gas required to kill lice is much higher than the dose required to kill humans
@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze that doesn't really make sense. not that i'm in favor of spraying people with pesticide but they did some crazy stuff back then. read that twitter thread. there are some major problems with the gas chamber narrative
@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze how does it not make sense? lice are much more tolerant to most toxins than humans are. why do you think people leave a house when its being fumigated?
@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze pyrethrum shampoo kills them and that doesn't kill a human. i can't exactly speak to zyklon b, but if you shave someone's head, douse them in pesticide and rinse them off in the shower i imagine that should do it.
but yes it's still horrible, i just don't think it was a means of execution
but yes it's still horrible, i just don't think it was a means of execution
@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze zyklon b is an incredibly effective blood agent, the gas binds to the iron in your blood and thereby starves blood cells of oxygen. its not DDT.
@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze bro youre gonna need a better source for your flimsy arguments than fucking twitter. theres literally cyanide residue on the walls. I'd ask if youre stupid but you believe a million other stupid things.
@meowski @georgia @yakmacker oh a guy that worked for DuPont for 33 years , sure nothing fishy there they are responsible for mass death events due to their chemical plants through out us history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Business_Plot
@technolyze @georgia @yakmacker it's good that you guys made me go dig up that twitter thread. i wanted to save a few documents from it. i should be better prepared when people start using the 6 gorillion to justify the atrocities of israel, especailly against people who had nothing to do with WW2.
dinner is over now and i will be getting back to my shop work.. toodles
dinner is over now and i will be getting back to my shop work.. toodles
@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze the continued existence of jew haters like holocaust deniers alone justifies the existence of a sovereign jewish state, though not its atrocities obviously. enjoy your fake twitter thread.
@georgia @yakmacker @technolyze this statement is so convoluted and manipulative i don't even know where to start. first of all, denying the foundational myth of the rothschild zionist project doesn't mean anyone hates jews. you know i'm half jewish, right? i'm not in a cult and i'm not drinking your kool-aid and this doesn't mean you get to put me into this bucket. that's a non sequitur so just stop right there.
secondly, if you have a little discernment you can see this pattern in zionist behavior of lies being used to justify political and military actions that would otherwise be indefensible. they do it repeatedly. in reality it justifies nothing it just provides a veneer of legitimacy for the weak minded. one that is quickly dissolving among the general public i would add.
secondly, if you have a little discernment you can see this pattern in zionist behavior of lies being used to justify political and military actions that would otherwise be indefensible. they do it repeatedly. in reality it justifies nothing it just provides a veneer of legitimacy for the weak minded. one that is quickly dissolving among the general public i would add.
@meowski @yakmacker @technolyze "I'm half jewish" too bad youre 100% wrong on this and many other issues
@meowski @georgia @yakmacker they haven’t been used to justify Israel’s atrocities you are just saying that’s happen cause you are backed into a corner, I think the holocaust was bad and the genocide in gaza and the illegal settling of Palestinian land is bad
@meowski @georgia @technolyze
>informed by twitter
>proudly ignorant
>doesn't engage with points unless someone else gave them a canned response
>hides antisemitism behind antizionism
>informed by twitter
>proudly ignorant
>doesn't engage with points unless someone else gave them a canned response
>hides antisemitism behind antizionism
@meowski @georgia @technolyze no I mean literally the Nazis burned their paper records, because they knew they were going to be prosecuted. As far as I know there is only one document that survived, from a minor outlying camp.
The fact that your trotting out vague, easily disproved arguments is a sign that you've actually done none of your own research, BTW.
The fact that your trotting out vague, easily disproved arguments is a sign that you've actually done none of your own research, BTW.
@yakmacker @georgia @technolyze i've done enough research to dispute it. you seem very brainwashed, like you're getting upset
@meowski @georgia @yakmacker many of the arguments you have pulled out have been full of self evident contracdictions and half truths, on top of your total failure to actually show some sort of valid proof you propose a far reaching conspiracy involving millions of men women and children, two governments, their militaries, intelligence agencies and the Red Cross all keeping a secret because they are bent on destroying muh Whiteman for world Jewry