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@SuperDicq
>So when is it "Debian"
When it is the OS as distributed in its minimal form for it to be legally called Debian, ie likely debootstrap.

>and when is it "third party"?
Every package that isn't maintained and developed by Debian, so basically everything that isn't dpkg/apt. Kernel and systemd are also third parties on your system.

And even still if you go the route you suggest that Debian is fully first-party. Mirrors of it aren't except those maintained by Debian.

It's like saying that everything in the Windows store is first-party because Microsoft provides the infra and choose what to allow and therefore kinda maintain it.
@SuperDicq Very interesting coming from a GNU activist that advocates for freedom of computing for everyone. But apparently requiring to put your age into an OS on install, which then can quickly be queried and possibly exfiltrated via malware is not a freedom related issue.

At least on porn sites it's a yes/no question and there's nothing to gain from that question.
@SuperDicq
> A developer shall request a signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the application is downloaded and launched.
In legalese this means you have to check the users age at least once when the app is first launched. That covers all apps.

>“Covered application store” means a publicly available internet website, software application, online service, or platform that distributes and facilitates the download of applications from third-party developers to users of a computer, a mobile device, or any other general purpose computing that can access a covered application store or can download an application.
>“Covered application store” does not mean an online service or platform that distributes extensions, plug-ins, add-ons, or other software applications that run exclusively within a separate host application.

This in legalese means also all package repositories for Linux distros and ports trees for BSDs. Debian's apt repositories are a "Covered application store" under this law.

>“Operating system provider” means a person or entity that develops, licenses, or controls the operating system software on a computer, mobile device, or any other general purpose computing device.
> (a) An operating system provider shall do all of the following:
>(1) Provide an accessible interface at account setup that requires an account holder to indicate the birth date, age, or both, of the user of that device for the purpose of providing a signal regarding the user’s age bracket to applications available in a covered application store.

This means, if a user downloaded an app from a repository, the OS must provide an API to that application for the purpose of signalling the users age.

In other words, you have to implement a system-wide API on a low level where any application that doesn't come pre-bundled with the OS has to request the age indication of a user at least once on first start up.

@SuperDicq >No, this does not count. Your legalese skills are lacking.

It definitely is. It is an online service that facilitates and distributes downloading of software from third-party developers.

>All packages in Debian's repo are official Debian packages maintained by Debian developers. They are not third party in this context any more and do not need age verification.

Objectively false. The software isn't maintained and developed by Debian in 90% of cases. It is only packaged by Debian.

>You can also argue that this not apply to most GNU/Linux distros because they do not have accounts.

man useradd and look for the mention of "account"