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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@DrRyanSkelton @Jens_Rasmussen A lot of these fake choices in the games. I mean the option to just attack everyone like a maniac is already in them anyway.
And it just fucks everything up, signalling you need to reload. It#s no more than an easter egg dressed up as content

Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@WandererUber @DrRyanSkelton @Jens_Rasmussen I say it stays true to the original spirit of RPGs, where everyone just wants to be a murder-hobo at the start till eventually they grow out of that destructive outlook and realize how hollow all RPG games are, leaving the only worthwhile ones to be the ones telling a story you didn't help write, just simply witness happen in-between moments of gameplay.

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@WandererUber@poa.st remote

@Dicer @DrRyanSkelton @Jens_Rasmussen >leaving the only worthwhile ones to be the ones telling a story you didn't help write
And this is what will make them different from TTRPGs forever!

Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@WandererUber @DrRyanSkelton @Jens_Rasmussen And why I will always long to play TTRPGs instead of RPGs. Video Games are RPG in the sense you never play yourself, you are playing either a semi-painted avatar or a completely different character from yourself.
When I play the Witch in Path of Exile, I am most definitely not roleplaying as my self since I have a penis and she has monthly stomach aches.

Jens Rasmussen

@Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st remote

@Dicer @WandererUber @DrRyanSkelton "RPG" in the video game concept of the term just means "status screen exists", because it is equivalent to a character sheet.

Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@Jens_Rasmussen @WandererUber @DrRyanSkelton That's retarded because every game worth it's salt makes a secondary world that the avatar/character lives in, even if you never see them piss, drink and sleep

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@WandererUber@poa.st remote

@Dicer @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton GTA does this too, not RPG exclusive

Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton If you don't give your thugs believable pedestrians to steal, kill and harass, it's not fun to drive around in a cool car. Then it's just another racing game but with traffic lights and police men on your ass.

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@WandererUber@poa.st remote

@Dicer @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton I know, but that wasn't the point, was it?
I don't understand what you meant when you replied to Jens, saying that they also build a secondary world in Computer RPGs but then agree that every video game does this

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Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton No, he is saying that video games are called RPGs because they have stat sheets. I am saying they are RPGs because they have to emulate a real world for the player to buy into.

Tomorrow Square Enix could release a Final Fantasy game without any stats or item equipment, even levels, just talking and real-time/turn based combat without health bars, floating numbers and actual skills.
It'd still be an RPG because you're roleplaying the dudes in the mysterious sci-fi-magic setting without any such things in it.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@WandererUber@poa.st remote

@Dicer @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton >I am saying they are RPGs because they have to emulate a real world for the player to buy into.
Let's try this again: but non-RPG games ALSO do this

>It'd still be an RPG because you're roleplaying
By this definition, every game is an RPG and the word becomes meaningless...

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Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@WandererUber @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton No, not every game is an RPG, Tower Defence games are not rpgs. Puzzle games are not RPGs.
Plants VS Zombies is an RPG

Bejewelled 3 is not an RPG

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Jens Rasmussen

@Jens_Rasmussen@poa.st remote

@Dicer @WandererUber @DrRyanSkelton How about you substantiate your claims with some evidence? I have pretty much every game out there with stat screens/character sheets being labeled RPGs going for me.

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Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

@Dicer@poa.st remote

@Jens_Rasmussen @WandererUber @DrRyanSkelton This is also, an RPG

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

@WandererUber@poa.st remote

@Dicer @Jens_Rasmussen @DrRyanSkelton okay then you just have a totally different definition from literally anyone else on the planet.
I think Jens is a bit too strict with his too, even though "RPG Elements" colloquially only mean stats and level progression, nothing else. I feel like it's too narrow for the genre itself.