you fetishize the symbols of dead 20th century leftist ideologies because you think that having the right opinions is sufficient to create a better world, I do it because the symbols themselves still have the power to create an emotional effect but are no longer attached to any movement or party and therefore are basically free propaganda
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@nyx isn't this the entire idea behind Rammstein?
@yakmacker @nyx i would not call rammstein anything but a bunch of sound and fury signifying nothing. good spectacle, not much else
in the words of blixa "if that's getting a baseball stadium full of american fans then i wonder if i should continue singing in german"
in the words of blixa "if that's getting a baseball stadium full of american fans then i wonder if i should continue singing in german"
@yakmacker @nyx "strong german man make loud music and fire" has no significance because it is simple. even if they try to say something it will fall utterly flat and only move the most basic of person. it's fine to enjoy it as a spectacle but if the emotional effect is "wow they're so deep" then that's a misstep.
deliberately choosing to use symbolism that has no significance other than echoing specific sentiments and concepts in the pursuit of reflecting elements of human nature via art is a few layers more interesting.
i guess what i am trying to say is, you won't find Žižek analyzing rammstein because there is nothing there to do.
deliberately choosing to use symbolism that has no significance other than echoing specific sentiments and concepts in the pursuit of reflecting elements of human nature via art is a few layers more interesting.
i guess what i am trying to say is, you won't find Žižek analyzing rammstein because there is nothing there to do.
@7666 @nyx @yakmacker
he talked about that a year ago in a magazine
"Musically, I am extremely conservative. Almost everything I find interesting happened between 1965 and 1975. And I don't just mean The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, but also acid rock from Jefferson Airplane.
I hardly know anything from after that time, except for my great love Rammstein. So I was shocked that certain idiotic leftists are claiming that Rammstein preaches fascism. Such bullshit. Listening to Rammstein is the best medicine against fascism. Far-right people actually hate Rammstein. I suspect that your Geert Wilders will have no use for it either.
See, Rammstein does adopt 'totalitarian rituals', with their costumes and shouting. In fact, they imitate fascism in the most extreme, fanatical way possible. But that makes you realize how ridiculous and absurd it all is. Basically they are doing the same thing as what Charlie Chaplin does with Adolf Hitler in The Great Dictator. They make fun of fascism. If you are afraid that not everyone will see this, you are seriously underestimating the 'ordinary man'."
he talked about that a year ago in a magazine
"Musically, I am extremely conservative. Almost everything I find interesting happened between 1965 and 1975. And I don't just mean The Beatles and The Rolling Stones, but also acid rock from Jefferson Airplane.
I hardly know anything from after that time, except for my great love Rammstein. So I was shocked that certain idiotic leftists are claiming that Rammstein preaches fascism. Such bullshit. Listening to Rammstein is the best medicine against fascism. Far-right people actually hate Rammstein. I suspect that your Geert Wilders will have no use for it either.
See, Rammstein does adopt 'totalitarian rituals', with their costumes and shouting. In fact, they imitate fascism in the most extreme, fanatical way possible. But that makes you realize how ridiculous and absurd it all is. Basically they are doing the same thing as what Charlie Chaplin does with Adolf Hitler in The Great Dictator. They make fun of fascism. If you are afraid that not everyone will see this, you are seriously underestimating the 'ordinary man'."
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@Erato_Heti @7666 @nyx @yakmacker I'm pretty sure he's said this exact thing a decade or so ago in one of his movies