I really dont give 2 shits about Iran or israel's wars. GAS IS FUCKING $5 A GALLON YOU ORANGE RETARD!!!!
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We should have let Israel fall. We can deal with the Muslims ourselves.
@Evil_Bender Why is the higher octane less expensive?
its mostly corn alcohol here
@Evil_Bender They need to start making "We did that" stickers with Trump and Netanyahu
Israel won't even fight. 😒
I hate all those fuckers. Hang em all
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I'm hearing $6 diesel in some places. That's very bad.
I'm hearing $6 diesel in some places. That's very bad.
incredibly, the industry can absorb it for awhile. but long term high diesel costs will put half of trucking out of business, happened in 2008 also.
When prices invert like that, it means they only update them when they get a refill, and premium takes longer to go through a tank.
@cjd That makes sense. Must not be a dot head gas station, because they don't care about inventory @Evil_Bender
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Of course that would happen the year I start CDL training.
Of course that would happen the year I start CDL training.
If you only change your price when you get a new delivery you will never really lose money, but you might buy some expensive gas and then take a long time to sell it.
If you change price to the minute based on what a delivery "would cost", there's a chance you might sell at a loss.
Most likely, the big station companies are doing some shady "raise it instantly, lower it only to keep up with other stations" type of dealing.
If you change price to the minute based on what a delivery "would cost", there's a chance you might sell at a loss.
Most likely, the big station companies are doing some shady "raise it instantly, lower it only to keep up with other stations" type of dealing.
If you get a job with a big trucking company, sooner or later they're gonna put you in a Tesla...
doubt it, there's no infrastructure for it, and the speed the governmwnt works it will be 25 years
It doesn't matter if there's only one charging station every 50 miles, they'll give you a route that has you stopping where they are.
Charge time doesn't matter because you already have mandatory breaks, and if you pull a lot of grades, you'll actually make better time because that thing has a thousand horse power unit.
10 years ago, EVs were experimental slop subsidized by greenies, now it's production stuff being bought by bean-counters.
Charge time doesn't matter because you already have mandatory breaks, and if you pull a lot of grades, you'll actually make better time because that thing has a thousand horse power unit.
10 years ago, EVs were experimental slop subsidized by greenies, now it's production stuff being bought by bean-counters.
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man I have never seen an electric truck, and I rarely see electric cars, sounds like cap to me
The thing is they're expensive, say like $250k.
But if you're getting 8 MPG with your diesel and an electric gets 2 kWh/mile, if you're paying 20 cents per kWh then that's $3.20 per 8 miles, so you're saving like $3 per 8 miles.
If you're averaging 500 miles per day, you're saving $187/day.
Your driver's $300/day and you're gonna amortize that truck over 5 years, so that's costing you about $166 per working day (lets figure the truck is moving 300 days out of a year).
Now you take that and you look at maintenance and repair on these DEF/DPF shits and at the end of the day it just makes sense.
The sad story is gonna be for all the owner-operators who are driving their 1990s detroit diesel with no emissions, and they're gonna get fucked over on fuel and the big companies are gonna eat their lunch on freight rates.
But if you're getting 8 MPG with your diesel and an electric gets 2 kWh/mile, if you're paying 20 cents per kWh then that's $3.20 per 8 miles, so you're saving like $3 per 8 miles.
If you're averaging 500 miles per day, you're saving $187/day.
Your driver's $300/day and you're gonna amortize that truck over 5 years, so that's costing you about $166 per working day (lets figure the truck is moving 300 days out of a year).
Now you take that and you look at maintenance and repair on these DEF/DPF shits and at the end of the day it just makes sense.
The sad story is gonna be for all the owner-operators who are driving their 1990s detroit diesel with no emissions, and they're gonna get fucked over on fuel and the big companies are gonna eat their lunch on freight rates.
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man maybe in theory, but the whole charging infrastructure hasnt been proven with massive fleets of electric trucks, the whole thing is just theoretical at this point
> charging infrastructure hasnt been proven
It's not like you have to prove that the chargers will work, like as if they might mysteriously not start up and we need physicists to figure out why...
It's just a question of whether there are enough of them on the routes you want and if the price of power at the chargers is economical.
Now there's a lot of short haul shit, and for that they're just gonna charge it at the warehouse. Long distance you have to actually find the chargers and confirm the price of power and so on, but this is classic work for an office worker at a large trucking company.
If you're small, you go on trucking dot com and you find a contract and bid. If you're big, you know your main routes, you know basically how many trucks are gonna go over interstate 5 (for example) in a year, so you're gonna put electrics where there ARE chargers and where you're doing a lot of driving.
Like I said, this was theoretical 10 years ago, at this point it's pretty much inevitable...
It's not like you have to prove that the chargers will work, like as if they might mysteriously not start up and we need physicists to figure out why...
It's just a question of whether there are enough of them on the routes you want and if the price of power at the chargers is economical.
Now there's a lot of short haul shit, and for that they're just gonna charge it at the warehouse. Long distance you have to actually find the chargers and confirm the price of power and so on, but this is classic work for an office worker at a large trucking company.
If you're small, you go on trucking dot com and you find a contract and bid. If you're big, you know your main routes, you know basically how many trucks are gonna go over interstate 5 (for example) in a year, so you're gonna put electrics where there ARE chargers and where you're doing a lot of driving.
Like I said, this was theoretical 10 years ago, at this point it's pretty much inevitable...
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man I'll believe it when I see it. They said this about cars too and it didnt happen
on more than a few occasions I have had the pleasure of watching tesla owners have break downs at some podunk truck stop because the tesla charging station is damaged or doesnt work.
Or the stations in the city that are vandalized and dont work. You can have a high trust society with charging stations and infrastructure or yiu can have retarded niggers and various other shitskins, but not both.
Or the stations in the city that are vandalized and dont work. You can have a high trust society with charging stations and infrastructure or yiu can have retarded niggers and various other shitskins, but not both.
With cars, the math is different.
I have a diesel car and I have no reason to buy anything else. That's because the amount I drive is very little so fuel cost is marginal compared to amortization of the vehicle.
A lot of people did buy electrics, they're like 90% in Norway, but that's more a lifestyle purchase, like buying a Harley Davidson. Norwegians are rich enough they can throw down for a Tesla.
But in China, EVs are 20% of trucking, and 50% of cars so it's not like something needs to be proven at this point...
I have a diesel car and I have no reason to buy anything else. That's because the amount I drive is very little so fuel cost is marginal compared to amortization of the vehicle.
A lot of people did buy electrics, they're like 90% in Norway, but that's more a lifestyle purchase, like buying a Harley Davidson. Norwegians are rich enough they can throw down for a Tesla.
But in China, EVs are 20% of trucking, and 50% of cars so it's not like something needs to be proven at this point...
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man China cant prove anything, every chinese stat is a lie.
Ill believe it when a western country proves it
Ill believe it when a western country proves it
Yeah, no doubt - and this is why big trucking companies have the advantage. It's because they have the resources to verify that the chargers are actually there, and actually work, and the truck stop owner actually gives a shit... Small ones just following their GPS are going to end up in trouble...
ive been a diesel tech almost a quarter of a century. I dont see any practicality to a battery operated vehicle moving 40t at 70mph for 770mi in 1 DOT allowed per day trip.
A ford lightning f150 can barely haul its 7500lbs capacity 80mi before its dead. Its a pointless technology.
A ford lightning f150 can barely haul its 7500lbs capacity 80mi before its dead. Its a pointless technology.
and where was it this winter that got a bit cold and the electric cars all died, or California not letting you charge because of increased energy demand?
@Evil_Bender @cjd @medievalwars The fundamental flaw with EV tech, as I see it, is EVs solve no problems while introducing a whole host of new ones.
Here's the rub: The elites really REALLY want EV tech bc muh climate change. We're going to have to deal with it for now.
Long term, I bet we see EV box trucks making deliveries in cities. Think of something like an electric F-350. But eventually everyone will see the hype for what it is and that's hype.
how's it feel, nigga?
The only proper way to do electric is to have it powered by a diesel generator, like a train. The mileage per gallon on a car would be something like 60mpg. But that would allow for economic mobility, so its not allowed.
I think they are dropping ev because it competes with ai on the grid. I mean they still want it, but you can only do so much retard shit in a week.
@Evil_Bender @cjd @pepsi_man @medievalwars
Do me a favor. Take a lawn mower and recreate the vacuum thing-a-ma-jig fuel line that gets you 100 miles per gallon...
https://www.tiktok.com/@preservedhistory/video/7480302252016602411
Do me a favor. Take a lawn mower and recreate the vacuum thing-a-ma-jig fuel line that gets you 100 miles per gallon...
https://www.tiktok.com/@preservedhistory/video/7480302252016602411
> EVs solve no problems while introducing a whole host of new ones
If you're Europe or China, they solve a big problem: You need dollars to buy gas and if you try to work around that, the US get bitchy
> Long term, I bet we see EV box trucks making deliveries in cities.
My wife bought a phone and the guy who delivered it was in an electric van, and we're not city at all.
> But eventually everyone will see the hype for what it is and that's hype.
It was hype up until 2019 - which was the last year "muh climate" was a thing. Ever since then it's been 😷 💉 and then 🇺🇦 , 🇵🇸 , etc. Even Greta had to get a new job.
But then 2020 was the first year that EVs actually started getting traction, see chart. Everybody who trades in when their warrantee expires doesn't care about reliability or repairability, if the price difference between gas and power is bigger than the price difference of the car, they just buy the EV.
If you're Europe or China, they solve a big problem: You need dollars to buy gas and if you try to work around that, the US get bitchy
> Long term, I bet we see EV box trucks making deliveries in cities.
My wife bought a phone and the guy who delivered it was in an electric van, and we're not city at all.
> But eventually everyone will see the hype for what it is and that's hype.
It was hype up until 2019 - which was the last year "muh climate" was a thing. Ever since then it's been 😷 💉 and then 🇺🇦 , 🇵🇸 , etc. Even Greta had to get a new job.
But then 2020 was the first year that EVs actually started getting traction, see chart. Everybody who trades in when their warrantee expires doesn't care about reliability or repairability, if the price difference between gas and power is bigger than the price difference of the car, they just buy the EV.
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man @medievalwars they were only ever promo'd for marketing to start with, honestly people are just so gullible.
People that trade in when their warrantee period is up have no real reason to care about longevity - and there are some absolute pieces of shit out there on both the EV side and the ICE side (wet belts, CVT transmissions, that infamous Hyundai 2.4l engine, ...) Totally ruins the used market, sadly.
@cjd @Evil_Bender @pepsi_man I dont think anybody is choosing electric vehicles for their business because it really makes sense economically, given the fact that it is not proven yet, and most likely there will be issues that cant be predicted.
Companies do it because they want to appear green or whatever, and if the numbers are not bad either on paper then they go ahead.
If it was truly worth it we would see everybody using electric vehicles already.
Those toy scooter things people stand in are alright for going to work down the street I guess.
50cc motorbikes are much better with gas than electricity, they are already very efficient, and their tanks have like 5-7 liters, thats like 200km per tank.
Companies do it because they want to appear green or whatever, and if the numbers are not bad either on paper then they go ahead.
If it was truly worth it we would see everybody using electric vehicles already.
Those toy scooter things people stand in are alright for going to work down the street I guess.
50cc motorbikes are much better with gas than electricity, they are already very efficient, and their tanks have like 5-7 liters, thats like 200km per tank.
i made one of those hydrogen fuel cell boosters for a 4cyl toyota like 20 years ago. It did make hydrogen, but probably not in sufficient quantities for any meaningful increase.
let me know when electric can pull a 12k lbs trailer up the mountains and not stop for 300mi and only long enough to fuel, piss and grab jerky.
I want a diesel-electric hybrid for that and I'm hoping someone like Edison will eventually have an e-axle setup that can go into GMT400/800 frames.
> If it was truly worth it we would see everybody using electric vehicles already.
Batteries are a technological moving target. What that means is 15 years ago the economics were crap, now they're decent, in 15 years they'll be the only game in town.
Moving targets are extremely sneaky because everyone always dismisses them because they look at where they are, not where they're going...
LCD screens: Little toy shit for a calculator. Could never ever ever ever ever replace TVs and monitors. But they were improving, and they kept improving, and then one day bam, CRT tubes disappear forever.
Digital cameras: Terrible resolution, bad color, slow frame-rate... No possible threat to the film industry. Then they just moved up the chain from disposable cameras, instant cameras, and everything until eventually even full cinema movie cameras went digital.
Many similar examples.
Batteries are a technological moving target. What that means is 15 years ago the economics were crap, now they're decent, in 15 years they'll be the only game in town.
Moving targets are extremely sneaky because everyone always dismisses them because they look at where they are, not where they're going...
LCD screens: Little toy shit for a calculator. Could never ever ever ever ever replace TVs and monitors. But they were improving, and they kept improving, and then one day bam, CRT tubes disappear forever.
Digital cameras: Terrible resolution, bad color, slow frame-rate... No possible threat to the film industry. Then they just moved up the chain from disposable cameras, instant cameras, and everything until eventually even full cinema movie cameras went digital.
Many similar examples.
Hybrids have really weird economics. All of the big OEMs went all-in on hybrids a decade ago and they all got buttfucked by Tesla because they were building two drivetrains and Elon was only building one.
And as battery costs came down, everything they had done got blown to shit.
There are SOME places where hybrids could make sense, but I don't know if anybody has a stomach to go into them right now - outside of niche bespoke players like Edison.
The problem is, it takes you 5-10 years to do the engineering and release the product, build a market, fix the issues that arise, and so on - and while you were doing that, battery prices fall by 50% and suddenly your idea doesn't even make sense on paper...
And as battery costs came down, everything they had done got blown to shit.
There are SOME places where hybrids could make sense, but I don't know if anybody has a stomach to go into them right now - outside of niche bespoke players like Edison.
The problem is, it takes you 5-10 years to do the engineering and release the product, build a market, fix the issues that arise, and so on - and while you were doing that, battery prices fall by 50% and suddenly your idea doesn't even make sense on paper...
@cjd @Evil_Bender @DemonSixOne @pepsi_man Dont people only buy hybrids because the government pays them to so so
problem is starting in 2027 cars are spy boxes. ive purchase my last new vehicle ever
Hybrid *cars* never made that much sense. Range extended EVs a little more because you can charge them at home, but the whole thing ended up being a bad idea and it lost the OEMs a lot of money.
Moving target
Moving target
Moving target (!!!)
The OEMs though battery tech wouldn't improve that fast and so their product would have a nice lifespan... That is not what happened AT ALL.
Moving target
Moving target
Moving target (!!!)
The OEMs though battery tech wouldn't improve that fast and so their product would have a nice lifespan... That is not what happened AT ALL.
Yeah I know :(
I'm thinking I might look at buying a 90s F250 (you know the ones with the 460 that gets 9 MPG) and refitting it with electric so I can drive it for the cost of power...
I'm thinking I might look at buying a 90s F250 (you know the ones with the 460 that gets 9 MPG) and refitting it with electric so I can drive it for the cost of power...
meh the new 3/4t still only get 10mpg
I didnt buy it for efficiency. I bought it to work
I didnt buy it for efficiency. I bought it to work
Correct, I'm basically describing a corner case that is much closer in application to a vocational truck role (heavy towed loads, medium distances, limited/nonexistent charging availability)
This is a very different use space than guy that commutes to work 30-40 miles over mostly flat pavement, an ideal place to have a simple EV.
This is a very different use space than guy that commutes to work 30-40 miles over mostly flat pavement, an ideal place to have a simple EV.
Here we don't even have enough electricity to keep the power on and no plans to add infrastructure, yet they push EVs.
My goal would be to drive around like an asshole because "lol fuel is basically free"...
we called that the 90s
Yeah, super tricky b/c right now the Tesla semi long range version is 500 miles. Battery nerd shit that's in the lab now may be able to double that, so anyone who is trying to do a hybrid is racing the battery industry, and that a race that a lot of people tried and lost.