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Shadowman311

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>Apple is running Google Gemini
>Copilot is becoming it's own Frontier model, likely with Gemini as its core code like Siri is transitioning into

Scam Altman is toast lmao

https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence...

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@Shadowman311 >Copilot is becoming it's own Frontier model,
>likely with Gemini as its core code
these are opposites
there is no "core code" from Gemini they could even use. They could run further training on the weights, but that's not happening in a million years. Google will not give Microsoft access to those.

Shadowman311

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@WandererUber They gave Apple access to those, Apples paying them a billion a year for the privilege

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@Shadowman311 No they didn't. They gave Apple API access to use Gemini

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@Shadowman311 okay they did sorry I should have looked further.
BUT I very much doubt that they allow them to train+resell the model

https://www.letsdatascience.com/blog/apple-partners-wi...

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Sick Burn, Bro

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@WandererUber @Shadowman311 for as much money as apple has, who knows what is actually going down

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@sickburnbro @Shadowman311 It was definitely surprising given
>Bloomberg noted this [1 billion dollar price tag] "seems incredibly cheap, considering all the other big tech giants are spending hundreds of billions of dollars a year on their AI efforts."
that they would actually allow Apple to have access to the weights. It doesn't say Gemini 3 in that article and I wonder what kind of contractual safeguards they have against leaks. Because that happening is literally game over for an AI product.I wonder if they gave them Gemini 2 or something like a side model under the Gemini brand. Showing your flagship to your competitor seems insane

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Sick Burn, Bro

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@WandererUber @Shadowman311 yeah, I mean it depends on what they are trying to do, essentially. If they're just trying to make Siri "better" you might not need Gemini 3, *and* the 1B might be Apple still has to provide their own hardware, so it might be basically 1B totally free for google.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@sickburnbro @Shadowman311 it's not even a might, it says explicitly everywhere that the model will run on apple hardware.
Which, again, I didn't expect Google to tolerate.
They will use Adapters to customize the model, i.e. not change the Gemini weights. I wonder if that's just an engineering challenge or if they have to because Google wouldn't let them train Gemini.
Not an ML engineer so further details are beyond me.

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@sickburnbro @Shadowman311 and it turns out it IS 3 btw. What the fuck

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RobCaruso

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@sickburnbro @WandererUber @Shadowman311 Remember, Google pays Apple to use their search engine. A large part of the equation is access to iPhone users.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@RobCaruso @sickburnbro @Shadowman311 article says google gets no access. that is the whole point of what we are talking about. Apple has the weights so the data never leaves their custody

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BroDrillard

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They may provide the conversation logs back to Google. Then G can use it for future training. Remember, moar (human generated) data is the key to further improvements of the models.

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Sick Burn, Bro

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@BroDrillard @WandererUber @RobCaruso @Shadowman311 yup,that's why private models are the future to providing leverage.

If you don't give them your data, their models will stagnate

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@WandererUber @Shadowman311 knowing apple, they probably want to ensure that nothing related to "Gemini" appears anywhere in their outputs