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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

idk about you guys but I think the enclosure where they keep Panchi is very Asian in its construction. There isn't even a single shrub or piece of soft ground in the entire thing. Just some dead wood and the rest is concrete.
Not very humane in my opinion. Whites would give them more greenery.

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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>The Japanese macaque is an intelligent species. Researchers studying this species at Koshima Island in Japan left sweet potatoes out on the beach for them to eat, then witnessed one female, named Imo (Japanese for yam or potato), washing the food off with river water rather than brushing it off as the others were doing, and later even dipping her clean food into salty seawater.[49][50][51] After a while, other members of her troop started to copy her behavior. This trait was then passed on from generation to generation, until eventually all except the oldest members of the troop were washing their food and even seasoning it in the sea.
>The macaque has other unusual behaviours, including bathing together in hot springs and rolling snowballs for fun.

Don't lock them in a concrete prison like that man.

Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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When I win I will free all zoo animals
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Waldbrand

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@WandererUber Zoos should be illegal tbh.

March 16th, The Hatkeshiator

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@Waldbrand @WandererUber en.wikipedia.org/wiki/zoological_gardens were never meant to be public places, let alone commercial enterprises.

March 16th, The Hatkeshiator

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@Waldbrand @WandererUber
>wiki redirects zoological garden to zoo
destroy everything and kill everyone now.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@HatkeshiatorTND @Waldbrand article doesn't really bolster your point. says the opposite in fact

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March 16th, The Hatkeshiator

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@WandererUber @Waldbrand this excerpt is under history after a long section on how zoological gardens are centuries older than even this.
if it took about a decade of the enlightenment to pry those gates open for the public, the natural assumption is that they were at least as picky about who got in before that.
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@HatkeshiatorTND @Waldbrand >show me some animals and I'll pay you
>he builds park for me
>walk around in park
>this is kinda boring now, show it to the public

what's old is new

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March 16th, The Hatkeshiator

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@WandererUber @Waldbrand worth noting that the name zoological had the logos ripped out of it around the time this transition happened.
the old purpose was never gawking at the silly creatures, it was (at worst, in the case of somebody like alexander) to understand them and, through them, to understand their homeland.

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@HatkeshiatorTND @Waldbrand >I will trap these large free roaming animals in a cage in distant lands and remove all danger and agency from their life
>surely this will help me understand them
not one for disrespecting the nobility usually but this was always stupid
if you love life you cherish it where it happens not put it in a cage
it was a display of power at some point and I can at least respect that aspect

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March 16th, The Hatkeshiator

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@WandererUber @Waldbrand trail cams are a more recent invention.
field work is older than zoological gardens, and has many advantages, but the latter wins because convenience. you don't lose nearly as much information as you'd expect if you just move the animal and put it in a proper enclosure.
we use various small mammals and certain kinds of fish for behavioral testing in labs where this stuff matters more than it did to ancient analytic natural historians. if your thesis was correct, we'd expect biologists to use koi and salmon in their native environment instead of zebrafish in glass containers, and to study the critters of the wood instead of pureline mice and rabbits.

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Wanderer atop the sea of clouds or whatever

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@HatkeshiatorTND @Waldbrand there IS no proper enclosure for lions and whales
L take
zoos routinely overstate the impact they have on understanding and helping animals because they don't want the sour taste that comes from locking these creatures up for our sick enjoyment.
There is no scientific gain from keeping that macaque troop in this concrete hellscape. They are native to Japan and not very skittish with human contact.
Large mammals develop psychosis from being locked up, you're causing them immense suffering for no reason

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-is-zoochosis....

A lab test on rats studies entirely different systems. The whole point is to control external stimuli to get the same baseline. those rats are bred for that purpose.

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Mr.All Sunday 🇬🇷

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@WandererUber @HatkeshiatorTND @Waldbrand Also a hazard for people too.
Harambee is not the first time a kid went into a dangerous animal enclosure.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binky_(polar_bear)
https://www.upi.com/Archives/1987/05/20/Two-polar-bear...

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March 16th, The Hatkeshiator

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@WandererUber @Waldbrand oh and as for why the leading section speaks of them.as if they're innately commercial that's because wikipedia stupidly makes.the old term redirect to the main article.on the new term instead of to the subsection thereof about the history of the term. since "don't do anything surprising" is a (justified and good, at least from.their perspective) policy at wikipedia, they end up discussing modern zoos without reference ti their classical analogues