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yeah I realize that. That's what I am saying. I guess I was maybe a little mean about it, but I think this is just going to be a hard break at some point. There is maybe a tactical question about making this a central issue before either faction has any chance at any institutional power (neither those Christians who take their religion seriously, nor the "secular" extreme right have one)

I took no offense (I'm firmly a paleocon anyway). But I agree with you at the end of the day, there's an irreconcilable difference between the higher values of Christianity and the brutal - and paradoxically fanciful - practicality of a lot of hardliners.

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