This program doesn't do anything? It is just a bunch of markdown files and a wrapper for LLMs with shell access?
And you're telling me that developing "skills" for this piece of shit is just writing a markdown file with instructions on how to do a thing?
People are mass buying overpriced Mac Mini computers just to play with A COLLECTION OF MARKDOWN FILES?
AI bubble has reached peak insanity.
RE: https://minidisc.tokyo/notes/aj7ffz404l
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@SuperDicq I set up a vm and used that and it worked great, people buying a mac for this are retarded
@sun@shitposter.world What do you mean it works great? You're sending a bunch of markdown files to an LLM API. It literally doesn't do anything special.
@SuperDicq @sun it builds its own tools. I had it develop custom things in node and python. The Markdown just tells it how to use the tools it built and what they're for.
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world Isn't it infinitely more efficient to just share the code with other people instead of just sharing instructions on how to write the code?
Is this what the future is going to be like? No more software? Just every app being a markdown file and everyone running their own vibecoded version of it?
@SuperDicq @sun the future is going to be whatever the hell you want it to be
but there are plenty of apps/tools that have never existed before because nobody thought it was a problem worth solving, or there isn't a good enough product-market-fit
now you can make custom tools pretty easily to solve almost any problem you have. I have a ton of things I've wished for but never had the time to build, and now I can have those things solved quite easily.
It's liberating.
but there are plenty of apps/tools that have never existed before because nobody thought it was a problem worth solving, or there isn't a good enough product-market-fit
now you can make custom tools pretty easily to solve almost any problem you have. I have a ton of things I've wished for but never had the time to build, and now I can have those things solved quite easily.
It's liberating.
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world I don't think it's very "liberating" to have a proprietary SaaSS API build software for you.
You what is actually liberating? The free software movement where people build code and share it with each other so you don't have to do everything yourself.
@SuperDicq @sun ok where are those free software people at and why aren't they building the shit for me that I want?
oh wait they're not slaves and we shouldn't treat them as such?????
also isn't your proprietary CPU making you anxious?
oh wait they're not slaves and we shouldn't treat them as such?????
also isn't your proprietary CPU making you anxious?
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world
where are those free software people at and why aren't they building the shit for me that I want?What the fuck are you on about? You're literally using a crapton of free software right now probably that does exactly what you want.
@SuperDicq @sun what about other stuff I want like a web-controlled audiobook player that streams through mpd and icecast and automatically controls my Sonos speakers and after a set timeout stops the audiobook and plays a relaxing sleep sound for me all night?
Where's the open source solution to that?
oh wait there isn't so I've vibe coded my own solution and it fucking rocks
I have dozens of projects like this in the back of my head that I've always wanted but nobody made
Where's the open source solution to that?
oh wait there isn't so I've vibe coded my own solution and it fucking rocks
I have dozens of projects like this in the back of my head that I've always wanted but nobody made
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world And why didn't you write it yourself before?
I have a bunch of personal projects that I work on. It's actually a lot of having to use your brain you know.
@SuperDicq @sun @feld
>And why didn't you write it yourself before?
Because I'm not a programmer by day? Because I don't have the time nor knowledge to dump two evenings and maybe get something partially working?
>And why didn't you write it yourself before?
Because I'm not a programmer by day? Because I don't have the time nor knowledge to dump two evenings and maybe get something partially working?
@phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @feld@friedcheese.us You're not born as a programmer. You can always become a programmer.
@SuperDicq @sun @feld I don't have the time to do that. I do systems administration, I need to learn whatever the industry throws at me to stay relevant. I have nearly zero interest or motivation to learn 3 different languages for multiple of my use cases. It simply isn't possible and kinda reads as self-entitled.
I would want to contribute more to Pleroma, yet I simply don't have enough brain power for that most of the time. It's like if I said you should learn to become a machinist, so you can work on your cars more. You can always become a machinist.
I would want to contribute more to Pleroma, yet I simply don't have enough brain power for that most of the time. It's like if I said you should learn to become a machinist, so you can work on your cars more. You can always become a machinist.
@phnt @feld @SuperDicq @sun systems admin is one of the worst jobs to use the "i won't learn to code excuse" considering half of unix administration is bash scripting.
@icedquinn @feld @SuperDicq @sun I write shell scripts and Python all the time, but turns out that asking a sysadmin to write C from scratch isn't that easy. I know sysadmins that write nothing and I'm an exception in that case, but it is still not my job to write JS webapps with beautiful frontends. That's what I mean.
@phnt @feld @SuperDicq @sun where we failed as a field is programming has been stuck in the 1970s forever. we briefly reached out in the 90s with stuff like clickteam and hypercard and the RAD stacks but we've fully regressed back to the 1970s and this makes me very sad.
you're not supposed to be writing C code these days you're supposed to be opening up your object browser, slapping some widgets together and writing a few message sends. this is the future xerox left us. and we just.. walked away.
you're not supposed to be writing C code these days you're supposed to be opening up your object browser, slapping some widgets together and writing a few message sends. this is the future xerox left us. and we just.. walked away.
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@phnt @SuperDicq @feld @sun basically "i can write bad code faster with chatgpt" is like when ford said if people asked they would just want a faster horse.
everyone forgot we could also just use a plane.
everyone forgot we could also just use a plane.
@icedquinn @phnt @feld @SuperDicq the code is rapidly improving, in particular when you enforce testing on it so I tolerate it being less than great sometimes
@icedquinn @feld @SuperDicq @sun Languages hiding the inner workings from me is probably one of the biggest sources of frustration I have with most of them. Hiding features behind incomprehensible syntax sugar. Just let me write what I want, explicitly.
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for i = 1:10:5 door whatever the fuck Python decided to do with list comprehensions is what drives me mad. I don't want 6 layers of abstraction just so I can drag elements on a screen to "write code". It's why I generally dislike high-level languages since they effectively obfuscate themselves.
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