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@ignaloidas you might be getting the wrong bit of my message, but fair.

My main point is that for a long time a lot of people (most people?) specifically said they wanted fedi to be a place without some of the toxic features we saw on twitter, of which quote replies were a big part of it.

I'm sad that despite identifying this feature as a bad way to interact in short-form blogging, we have nevertheless implemented and widely adopted it because it gets good "engagement"/modes of posting.

@kline@mastodon.sdf.org I don't think that the feature in particular is toxic (tumblr has it and it's fine, very good even), rather the twitter culture used it in a very toxic way.

And like, it's not as if you can't do the dumb shit that led it to being awful on twitter - you certainly can - it's that the moderation on fediverse is miles better and that prevents it from getting out of hand. Misskey and *oma instances have had quote posts for a couple of years now, and I've never noticed/seen complaints about it being a problem.

@ignaloidas @kline there was a Twitter employee who commented on HN a few years ago discussing this. Basically their internal metrics (haha, they have abuse metrics, how cute ) didn't show an increase in abusive behavior from implementing quote tweets, they just saw people switch from the screenshot method to the quote tweet method.

I don't think quoting is bad. I think sending a notification to the person you're quoting is bad. Notifying them is what's toxic imho. Imagine every time you gossiped about a celebrity with your friends the celebrity got a notification about it lol

And now Mastodon has an official quote feature and you can tag posts as being ineligible for quoting, but that will just cause people to switch to the fedi Re: link version or a screenshot.

You're not gonna stop people doing this. You can only influence the interface design used when they do.