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@idiot @hakui part of the reason I am quite sure that gnosticism is wrong is that materiality cannot actually be framed as completely evil, there is too much beauty in it and I am not convinced at all by "well it's just a pale reflection of spiritual beauty". Also we know from science that when you cut off sensory stimulation from a human brain, that it goes insane. We need materiality. We are dual beings fundamentally in our nature.