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Resident hacker, leader of the fsebugoutzone.org coup of the FSE Autonomous Zone, BOFH of freespeechextremist.com, and former admin of FSE before the establishment of the FSE Autonomous Zone. Launching a guerilla war against myself from this bunker.

I'm not angry with you, I'm just disappointed.

I am physically in Los Angeles but I exist in a permanent state of 3 a.m.

I have dropped a bytebeat album, feel free to DM me for a download code or a link to a tarball: https://finitecell.bandcamp.com/album/villain . There is a chiptunes album there, too.

Revolver is coming: https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/revolver-kickoff.html . Witness the apotheosis: https://fsebugoutzone.org/apotheosis (I am now whoring: 1BZz3ndJUoWhEvm1BfW3FzceAjFqKTwqWV )

War has changed: https://blog.freespeechextremist.com/blog/update-and-roadmap.html

The usual alt if FSE is down: @p@bae.st or @p@shitposter.world or @p@nerv.st. (If all of those servers are down, maybe I will verify that I'm me by signing the bio with the @warrantcanary key.)

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@feld @hj @i @lain @phnt @silverpill @sun @vii

> Should it be default?

The default should maximize compatibility.

> Maybe, but it's ugly as hell

Subjective; the guts don't look ugly to some people (and, as evidenced by bopesox users' inability to realize who's tagged because that's hidden, some details are unavoidable ugliness).

But this should be something you do on the frontend, not the backend: you can hide it using CSS if the code is aware of it, and then code that isn't aware of it will see the URL instead of being randomly tagged and someone says "This is a great idea" and then you say "What is?" and they say "That thing you said!" and then if you are aware of how these things are structured, you might eventually put together that they have quoteposted. (Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the learning curve acting as a threshold and I also don't mind when Shit Gets Weird because it keeps fedi intriguing, but I think it's safe to say that your goals are mutually exclusive with those two things, like, I don't want to put words in your mouth but I think it's safe to say that most of the Pleroma devs are not trying to make fedi opaque and weird and are generally trying for the opposite.)

Like, the tag-lists being abridged can be altered in the frontend per-user, but if it were set by the originating server and the post body changed to "... +5 others" then that would be a presentation-level concern that was implemented on the backend and that you couldn't fix without rewriting messages on the backend, and that feels wrong. I don't think quote-posting is materially different: it's presentation. If it were metadata and you expected a sufficiently clever frontend to replace it inline, you could have commentary before or after or around the link(s).
@feld @hj @i @lain @phnt @silverpill @sun @vii Like, I don't know why quote-posting isn't just "links to object URLs embedded in the post" and then there's some metadata and some FEs could display the little card and go to the post/thread on click; that seems like it would be easier. Then you could do some frontend gunk for people to do it the expected way (Twitter-style) and that leaves you more flexibility on how these things work. Implementation might be easier, like, the backend just annotates the /objects/ URLs with the appropriate metadata when it is turning posts into links, right, lookup-by-object-URL is fast enough.
@feld @phnt @hj @i @lain @silverpill @sun

> "discuss things to death, and then Mastodon ends up controlling the outcome anyway"

This is in your head. You can just ignore Mastodon.

> At this point we either seize our own destiny or accept our fate as shit on the boots of Mastodon.

Friendicazillahub is doing fine, last I heard. It's good to stay compatible but letting Mastodon shit on fedi hasn't done fedi any good: it just ensures that Mastodon continues to do whatever they want with no pushback.