This program doesn't do anything? It is just a bunch of markdown files and a wrapper for LLMs with shell access?
And you're telling me that developing "skills" for this piece of shit is just writing a markdown file with instructions on how to do a thing?
People are mass buying overpriced Mac Mini computers just to play with A COLLECTION OF MARKDOWN FILES?
AI bubble has reached peak insanity.
RE: https://minidisc.tokyo/notes/aj7ffz404l
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@SuperDicq I set up a vm and used that and it worked great, people buying a mac for this are retarded
@sun@shitposter.world What do you mean it works great? You're sending a bunch of markdown files to an LLM API. It literally doesn't do anything special.
@SuperDicq @sun it builds its own tools. I had it develop custom things in node and python. The Markdown just tells it how to use the tools it built and what they're for.
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world Isn't it infinitely more efficient to just share the code with other people instead of just sharing instructions on how to write the code?
Is this what the future is going to be like? No more software? Just every app being a markdown file and everyone running their own vibecoded version of it?
@SuperDicq @sun the future is going to be whatever the hell you want it to be
but there are plenty of apps/tools that have never existed before because nobody thought it was a problem worth solving, or there isn't a good enough product-market-fit
now you can make custom tools pretty easily to solve almost any problem you have. I have a ton of things I've wished for but never had the time to build, and now I can have those things solved quite easily.
It's liberating.
but there are plenty of apps/tools that have never existed before because nobody thought it was a problem worth solving, or there isn't a good enough product-market-fit
now you can make custom tools pretty easily to solve almost any problem you have. I have a ton of things I've wished for but never had the time to build, and now I can have those things solved quite easily.
It's liberating.
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world I don't think it's very "liberating" to have a proprietary SaaSS API build software for you.
You what is actually liberating? The free software movement where people build code and share it with each other so you don't have to do everything yourself.
@SuperDicq @sun ok where are those free software people at and why aren't they building the shit for me that I want?
oh wait they're not slaves and we shouldn't treat them as such?????
also isn't your proprietary CPU making you anxious?
oh wait they're not slaves and we shouldn't treat them as such?????
also isn't your proprietary CPU making you anxious?
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world
where are those free software people at and why aren't they building the shit for me that I want?What the fuck are you on about? You're literally using a crapton of free software right now probably that does exactly what you want.
@SuperDicq @sun what about other stuff I want like a web-controlled audiobook player that streams through mpd and icecast and automatically controls my Sonos speakers and after a set timeout stops the audiobook and plays a relaxing sleep sound for me all night?
Where's the open source solution to that?
oh wait there isn't so I've vibe coded my own solution and it fucking rocks
I have dozens of projects like this in the back of my head that I've always wanted but nobody made
Where's the open source solution to that?
oh wait there isn't so I've vibe coded my own solution and it fucking rocks
I have dozens of projects like this in the back of my head that I've always wanted but nobody made
@feld@friedcheese.us @sun@shitposter.world And why didn't you write it yourself before?
I have a bunch of personal projects that I work on. It's actually a lot of having to use your brain you know.
@SuperDicq @sun @feld
>And why didn't you write it yourself before?
Because I'm not a programmer by day? Because I don't have the time nor knowledge to dump two evenings and maybe get something partially working?
>And why didn't you write it yourself before?
Because I'm not a programmer by day? Because I don't have the time nor knowledge to dump two evenings and maybe get something partially working?
@phnt@fluffytail.org @sun@shitposter.world @feld@friedcheese.us You're not born as a programmer. You can always become a programmer.
@SuperDicq @sun @feld I don't have the time to do that. I do systems administration, I need to learn whatever the industry throws at me to stay relevant. I have nearly zero interest or motivation to learn 3 different languages for multiple of my use cases. It simply isn't possible and kinda reads as self-entitled.
I would want to contribute more to Pleroma, yet I simply don't have enough brain power for that most of the time. It's like if I said you should learn to become a machinist, so you can work on your cars more. You can always become a machinist.
I would want to contribute more to Pleroma, yet I simply don't have enough brain power for that most of the time. It's like if I said you should learn to become a machinist, so you can work on your cars more. You can always become a machinist.
@phnt @feld @SuperDicq ai is good for contributing to pleroma, I think it's a slightly confusing codebase. not terrible but ai helps a lot for making checklist of everything needed when making changes
@sun @feld @SuperDicq It can work for AI, I've seen it work well with AI, and I've seen it fail hilariously with Pleroma and Elixir (see the URIEncoding module if you want an intelligence test case for AI). I don't write much code for Pleroma, I mostly just diagnose and fix bugs I find, help users and AI can somewhat help with that, but not much.
But first and foremost, I write programs and play with Pleroma 99% of the time for my personal interest and fun. It's my hobby. And vibe coding takes the fun out of it. The solving of a puzzle is what interests me.
But first and foremost, I write programs and play with Pleroma 99% of the time for my personal interest and fun. It's my hobby. And vibe coding takes the fun out of it. The solving of a puzzle is what interests me.
@phnt @SuperDicq @sun
> And vibe coding takes the fun out of it. The solving of a puzzle is what interests me.
solving the puzzle is what interests me too, but I don't savor the grind.
I submitted a fix to a Python project a few weeks ago after waiting over a month where nobody fixed my issue for me. I'm not super interested in Python, but I can do fairly basic things with it. Fixing the code wasn't the hard part as much as knowing how to properly write its tests for their test suite.
The LLM did it for me, and now I learned how the Python tests are meant to be written for this particular problem. It's not like I closed my eyes and refused to learn from the code in front of me. I do much better learning by seeing the actual solutions and breaking them down. It's far more efficient for me.
> And vibe coding takes the fun out of it. The solving of a puzzle is what interests me.
solving the puzzle is what interests me too, but I don't savor the grind.
I submitted a fix to a Python project a few weeks ago after waiting over a month where nobody fixed my issue for me. I'm not super interested in Python, but I can do fairly basic things with it. Fixing the code wasn't the hard part as much as knowing how to properly write its tests for their test suite.
The LLM did it for me, and now I learned how the Python tests are meant to be written for this particular problem. It's not like I closed my eyes and refused to learn from the code in front of me. I do much better learning by seeing the actual solutions and breaking them down. It's far more efficient for me.
@feld @SuperDicq @sun Yeah, I usually do some kind of ai-assisted writing when I'm in uncharted territory. Getting a second opinion on how something should probably work and/or how it could be simplified is always better than zero input. And when you have nobody else to ask/bother, you don't have much choice.
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