Egregoros · Phoenix Framework

@cjd I'm less than a year into my venture into Linux but I haven't encountered any bugs yet, although it could be I'm too inexperienced to recognize them as such 🙃 Also I don't do anything advanced, mostly playing around with various tools in the terminal. Like today I've been using grep to filter some data from one .csv to another and then calculate something in the new file using sc-im, so much more fun than Excel.

Caleb James DeLisle

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My recollection of Ubuntu is having troubles in the first 30 minutes of setting it up, and then realizing that the "troubles" are not really user error, but rather that the default ubuntu apps (gnome stuff) just have bugs, like save button doesn't save, that type of stuff.

pistolero

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@cjd Ubuntu's default partition setup allocates a 512MB /boot. You tell it "do what you want with the disk" and it'll do that. Then by default it turns on unattended-upgrades. Then it trickles new kernels to /boot but does not remove the old ones and updates the bootloader to boot the new kernel by default, which apparently occurs whether or not /boot is full. Then eventually the user reboots the machine. There are two options on the screen: new kernel, or new kernel plus safe mode. But the kernel it is configured to use does not represent a kernel that is actually on the disk, so it refuses to boot. Ubuntu renders itself impossible to boot. Ubuntu commits suicide if you don't intervene.

I do not know for certain whether this problem persists to the present day but it did occur for years. I don't know who is in charge of QA at Canonical but apparently no one is in charge of telling Ubuntu not to commit suicide.

Phantasm (away)

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@p @cjd Upgrading from 25.10 to 26.04 has Python3 issues still :)

Upgrading anything that is Ubuntu or Debian based between releases might as well be a dice roll.

Suzu

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@phnt @p @cjd and that's why people use the LTS releases for Ubuntu

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Phantasm (away)

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@Suzu @p @cjd Even there you aren't free from the memery of Debian and Canonical.

Everyone hates me for this, but all I need to do to upgrade between releases on my Loonix servers is install two packages, run 2 commands, one of which checks whether my current system configuration is even valid on the next release, maybe update said configuration and reboot. 5 minutes of my time and I have to do it only once every 10 years.

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Phantasm (away)

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@Suzu @cjd @p And it never failed unlike Debian/Ubuntu which have something like 60+% chance to implode randomly.

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pistolero

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@phnt @Suzu @cjd

> I have to do it only once every 10 years.

> And it never failed

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御園はくい

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@phnt @Suzu @cjd @p wait which distro

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Phantasm (away)

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@hakui @Suzu @p @cjd At the risk of getting Pete angry, it's redhatware (a downstream of it to be completely correct). Good luck getting a usable desktop from a mostly server only OS btw.

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@phnt @Suzu @cjd @p if you run a big enough cluster does it become dollaros

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Phantasm (away)

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@hakui @Suzu @p @cjd It is paid-only by default :D Unless you use derivatives like: https://fluffytail.org/objects/40249859-3748-46e7-ba3b-0176b57f1e6b Which kinda exist at RH's mercy.

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Phantasm (away)

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@hakui @Suzu @cjd @p Also by using RH's "developer" license for personal stuff, you are agreeing to the same EULA like enterprises which gives them the authority to request access to all your RHEL servers for "auditing purposes"

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@hakui@tuusin.misono-ya.info remote

@phnt @Suzu @cjd @p oh never mind then

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pistolero

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@phnt @Suzu @cjd @hakui

> gives them the authority to request access to all your RHEL servers

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Phantasm (away)

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@p @Suzu @cjd @hakui Yeah, not as unusual in an enterprise setting for making sure a company actually pays for what they are using. But it's a really bad joke for personal stuff.

At least the derivatives aren't maintained by RH in the background like with CentOS before its inevitable death, and don't entirely depend on RH either. All three major ones kinda went their own ways: ABI compat only, full source rebuild, and whatever Larry Ellison is doing. Only one of them needs RH to publish full sources.

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johnny peligro

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@phnt @Suzu @p @cjd @hakui > rh audits my laptop
> some employee is now developing multiple fetishes
> also radicalized

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johnny peligro

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@phnt @Suzu @p @cjd @hakui llm that you can use for crafting pkg recipes would fix those distros imo.

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Phantasm (away)

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@mischievoustomato @Suzu @p @cjd @hakui GLM 4.7, Kimi 2.7 and GLM 5.2 are all mediocre at RPM since the documentation does not reflect reality. Every distro has their own set of macros for packaging stuff and they also change by version.

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pistolero

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@phnt @hakui @Suzu @cjd It is only distressing to me if it turns into a distro argument.