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@w0rm I'm about to save some people who wouldn't give me the time of day a couple months ago
@graf thank you for always being a friend to us. I hope you are not meaning us as qpeople who wouldn't give me the time of day.
@w0rm no, I am helping people who deserve it, you deserve my time but p seemed busy, I can call you personally while I do this work if you'd like
@eriner @w0rm @graf
> lets be real, all interpreted languages are dog shit slow.
Haskell's compiled, but find a Haskell program that is faster than the equivalent awk.
Not the case, no. Ruby isn't even that slow, but Rails does retarded shit like blowing out the method dispatch cache multiple times per *request*, it's all factoryfactories. I *just* said "things written in the same language that do not use Rails". I do not think you know how goddamn retarded Rails is. Ruby's a great language if you're not an idiot; unfortunately, it got popular with idiots, and I watched this happen, having used it before Rails existed. (Luckily, most of the idiots left for JS, but a handful of total dipshits have stuck around.)
> bash & /dev/tcp
bash is terrible and their "/dev/tcp" bullshit is terrible and netcat is not hard.
> lets be real, all interpreted languages are dog shit slow.
Haskell's compiled, but find a Haskell program that is faster than the equivalent awk.
Not the case, no. Ruby isn't even that slow, but Rails does retarded shit like blowing out the method dispatch cache multiple times per *request*, it's all factoryfactories. I *just* said "things written in the same language that do not use Rails". I do not think you know how goddamn retarded Rails is. Ruby's a great language if you're not an idiot; unfortunately, it got popular with idiots, and I watched this happen, having used it before Rails existed. (Luckily, most of the idiots left for JS, but a handful of total dipshits have stuck around.)
> bash & /dev/tcp
bash is terrible and their "/dev/tcp" bullshit is terrible and netcat is not hard.
@p @w0rm @graf I never said "compiled languages are always fast", I said all interpreted languages are slow.
> bash is terrible
I mean, I use zsh, but when you want a reverse shell you have to use what's there, and bash usually is. Sometimes for one reason or another it can't be done with bash, but most systems that have bash also have perl. IIRC most distro distributions of nginx include perl as a runtime dependency.
@eriner @w0rm @graf
> I never said "compiled languages are always fast", I said all interpreted languages are slow.
It's still wrong.
> I use zsh
"The only shell worse than bash, until fish got popular."
> when you want a reverse shell you have to use what's there, and bash usually is
They have an entire /bin/sh.
> IIRC most distro distributions of nginx include perl as a runtime dependency.
Half of them nowadays mandate Python. Almost any box is going to have Python.
> I never said "compiled languages are always fast", I said all interpreted languages are slow.
It's still wrong.
> I use zsh
"The only shell worse than bash, until fish got popular."
> when you want a reverse shell you have to use what's there, and bash usually is
They have an entire /bin/sh.
> IIRC most distro distributions of nginx include perl as a runtime dependency.
Half of them nowadays mandate Python. Almost any box is going to have Python.
it isn't always about what's present, but various runtime restrictions that you have to test. Sometimes it works, sometimes acls and policy flag/prevent weird shell interactions that are commonly "malicious", such as /dev/tcp interaction. Though, zsh's (if present) tcp module often isn't ;)
Unless the app is written in python and using it for runtime, my experience is that python is far more rare than bash or perl.
@eriner @w0rm @graf
> various runtime restrictions that you have to test. Sometimes it works, sometimes acls and policy flag/prevent weird shell interactions that are commonly "malicious", such as /dev/tcp interaction
It's not even a real /dev; gawk (almost certainly present) has a different, incompatible /inet/{tcp,udp}/$shit and is almost guaranteed to be present and probably overlooked if zsh is.
> my experience is that python is far more rare than bash or perl.
bash maybe because I don't know of anyone that *doesn't* ship bash, but Debuntu requires Python nowadays, I believe CentOS/RHEL require it.
> various runtime restrictions that you have to test. Sometimes it works, sometimes acls and policy flag/prevent weird shell interactions that are commonly "malicious", such as /dev/tcp interaction
It's not even a real /dev; gawk (almost certainly present) has a different, incompatible /inet/{tcp,udp}/$shit and is almost guaranteed to be present and probably overlooked if zsh is.
> my experience is that python is far more rare than bash or perl.
bash maybe because I don't know of anyone that *doesn't* ship bash, but Debuntu requires Python nowadays, I believe CentOS/RHEL require it.
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