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What is this "nation" you're referring to?

America? America isn't a nation, it's an economic zone.

A nation is a defined group of people who are willing to fight for one another. You want to see nations? Go look at the gangs in your local prison. Blacks, Arians, Mexicans, Italians, those are the actual nations.

If you believe in America and you're willing to fight for America, have fun... we're all cheering for you.
Okay... so you accept that America was a nation (back when it was mono-ethnic) and "they shat it up with immigrants" (who do happen to be multi-ethnic)...

You didn't deny that the best place to see nations today is in prison gangs - which are basically just ethnicities....

It seems to me that if a "nation" walks like an ethnicity and quacks like an ethnicity, we might as well just say the two are equivalent.
> implied in the subtext that nationalism cant exist across ethnic boundaries very well

This is not widely understood at all. Look at the Republican party, look at the army, there are millions of people who all think America is one big happy family (except the illegals).

I think you're squirming a little bit here...
You said you care about your nation (implying it still exists), and a normal person take that to mean "America".
Then you conceded that there is no American nation anymore...
Now you conceded that in reality nation and ethnicity are indeed roughly equivalent.
But you don't like this "ethnonationalism" word because it scares women and children...

No shame in not knowing what your opinion is, we're all here learning stuff. But I think you need to sharpen your position a little bit, because it takes an extraordinarily charitable interpretation to believe that you were aware of all this when you made your original statement.

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @teto@cawfee.club i want the america that used to exist to come back, it can happen it just will take effort. using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure.

i also stopped caring how people perceive what i say on fedi, too many retards. especially on the extreme ends, both left fedi and right fedi made me apathetic about anyone having a good faith interpretation anymore, too many retards.

> i want the america that used to exist to come back

Okay, that's an objective which is good. But you need to go from talking like a customer to talking like a coder, and I know you can.

> using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure

Maybe yes, maybe no. I think a lot of the people using that word are not pursuing effective strategy, but I'm not convinced it's the word that's the problem.

Here's the thing: America isn't going back to what it was unless there's a group that is prepared to take it back by force. None of this is ever gonna happen by vote, because taking the vote away from people who are not The Nation is the whole point, and there's no way they're going to just vote to have that happen.

Therefore, you have no reason to care about the opinion of anyone except your Nation, in particular, its fighting age males.

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