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> implied in the subtext that nationalism cant exist across ethnic boundaries very well

This is not widely understood at all. Look at the Republican party, look at the army, there are millions of people who all think America is one big happy family (except the illegals).

I think you're squirming a little bit here...
You said you care about your nation (implying it still exists), and a normal person take that to mean "America".
Then you conceded that there is no American nation anymore...
Now you conceded that in reality nation and ethnicity are indeed roughly equivalent.
But you don't like this "ethnonationalism" word because it scares women and children...

No shame in not knowing what your opinion is, we're all here learning stuff. But I think you need to sharpen your position a little bit, because it takes an extraordinarily charitable interpretation to believe that you were aware of all this when you made your original statement.

> i want the america that used to exist to come back

Okay, that's an objective which is good. But you need to go from talking like a customer to talking like a coder, and I know you can.

> using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure

Maybe yes, maybe no. I think a lot of the people using that word are not pursuing effective strategy, but I'm not convinced it's the word that's the problem.

Here's the thing: America isn't going back to what it was unless there's a group that is prepared to take it back by force. None of this is ever gonna happen by vote, because taking the vote away from people who are not The Nation is the whole point, and there's no way they're going to just vote to have that happen.

Therefore, you have no reason to care about the opinion of anyone except your Nation, in particular, its fighting age males.

i want the america that used to exist to come back, it can happen it just will take effort. using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure.

how can the country produced by one demographics and culture of people come back when they have been replaced with new demographics and culture?

for things to be like a White country with a high trust society (the past) the society must be White and high trust - this is not possible even if the groups that replace Whites are admirable like the Japanese as their culture and values are very different - and of course, the culture that has been brought in are not a noble people but various violent low IQ subhumans

if you want America to come back and be like it was in the past, then it must have the populations it had in the past, and to achieve that would be ethno-nationalism of the White variety

and if you feel icky after hearing that perhaps you should ask why and if that reaction is rational or if it is decades of Jewish propaganda depicting White people as evil racists

Right, most people will not even give a fuck. If you run things less shitty than the last regime, they'll be happy. See: Bukele in El Salvador.

Some people will be very unhappy about it because they were previously on the dole and now the money stops. But those people are never capable of fighting.

This would not work that well in Germany because multiple powers want to control it (US, RU). Germany is in a tough situation. US on the other hand - once the USD system stops working, things are going to get chaotic and if you have a decently large group of Special Forces on your side, you can probably seize control.

Ethnonationalism is redundant. A nation is a people, an ethnicity. When we talk about Indian tribes, we say the Navajo nation or the Cherokee nation. These are not separate and independent political entities, since they exist within and are subordinate to the US federal government. Yet they are still called nations. The reason why is because they represent distinct ethnicities; people with a shared history, language, spiritual background, culture, and by necessity, blood.

A nation is an ethnic group. A state is a government that rules a given territory. A nation-state is a government that rules over and is largely made up of a single nation (ethnic group). An empire is a government that rules over more than one nation. Nation-states have been the norm throughout history because it is natural for an ethnic group to rule themselves according to their own values.

Empires are unnatural and so inherently unstable things. They last only so long as the central authority has the means and will to impose its rule. The moment it loses the means or will, the component nations within the empire will begin contesting with the central authority and each other for resources, territory, power, and prestige.
The US stopped being a nation-state after the immigration law was changed in 1965. Some would even argue the real break was the Civil War.

In any case we are now an empire in all but name, and the central authority holding the various nations within it together is beginning to faulter. It is only a matter of time before the same thing happens to the American empire that happens to every empire. It's component parts will tear at each other, and eventually the heterogeneous empire will be replaced by one or more homogeneous nation-states. This isn't ideological. Railing against it or calling people names will not change what is happening, because what is happening isn't due to ideology. It's basic human nature. Different people are different. They want different things, think different ways, have different values, prefer to live different lives. Many of those differences are irreconcilable. Thus they will sort themselves into distinct clans, tribes, nations. To be on the right is to accept nature, to be on the left is to fight against nature. The person that denies different people are different, that there are in fact nations and that those are natural, inevitable things, that person person is at war with nature. He is a dysfunctional leftist.

You don't care about your nation. You care about your preferred government, ideology. You care about your empire, an empire where everyone is supposed to be flattened down to the lowest common denominator, the empire of the bland, the empire of the strip mall, the empire of the faceless. The Tower of Babel.

No.

By what I've said, 'nation' is ethnicity (read: not country), and 'ethnonationalism' is redundant emphasis that ethnicity is nationality.

The redudant 'ethno' part is there since 'nation' (natal) has been coupled with/lost in the meaning of 'country' (land).
A nation may or may not have a country; a nation is not a country, nor is the country the nation.

You lump ethnonationalism with SJWism because your brain is lighting up that the two mutually exclusive, opposing behaviors emphasize race--and so therefore are "similar."

SJWism is virtue signaling for heckin' updoots, including even the cry of the most coddled and non-oppressed that their ethnicity and "fellow ethnicities in solidarity" are being holocausted, while they call for equal treatment and equal welcome of every ethnicity (into one "nation", confusing 'country' with 'ethnicity') and yet the practice of unequal treatment against Whites.

Ethnonationalism does not call for equal treatment and welcome of all ethnicities. It does not confuse 'nation' with 'country'.
Whites *are* the oppressed nation, thrashed by the governments over the countries in which they live.

Civic nationalism--your brand--is SJWism "but without race."
The moment any nation ignores ethnonationalism and pivots to civic nationalism, they get SJW-land (see: any White country, least enthonational and number one SJW-ism lands now.)
Ethnonationalism is the reality. Accept that or live with SJW-ism (in other words, nons bitching).

@jeff @teto I think you talked a like a illiterate fag that made some of the Nazis on here hoot "Jew". What you probably meant is white nationalism, a failed movement from the NS fandom. Yankees were pretty good at being races without some national socialism dreamed up inside the meat grinders of northern France.

You don't have to compare them to SJW from tumblr either. Just point out that most NS fan influencers are brown and gay and how one of the last good things a /pol/tard had done was exposing TRS and other LARP groups for being faggots and hyprocrites.