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What is this "nation" you're referring to?

America? America isn't a nation, it's an economic zone.

A nation is a defined group of people who are willing to fight for one another. You want to see nations? Go look at the gangs in your local prison. Blacks, Arians, Mexicans, Italians, those are the actual nations.

If you believe in America and you're willing to fight for America, have fun... we're all cheering for you.

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Okay... so you accept that America was a nation (back when it was mono-ethnic) and "they shat it up with immigrants" (who do happen to be multi-ethnic)...

You didn't deny that the best place to see nations today is in prison gangs - which are basically just ethnicities....

It seems to me that if a "nation" walks like an ethnicity and quacks like an ethnicity, we might as well just say the two are equivalent.
> implied in the subtext that nationalism cant exist across ethnic boundaries very well

This is not widely understood at all. Look at the Republican party, look at the army, there are millions of people who all think America is one big happy family (except the illegals).

I think you're squirming a little bit here...
You said you care about your nation (implying it still exists), and a normal person take that to mean "America".
Then you conceded that there is no American nation anymore...
Now you conceded that in reality nation and ethnicity are indeed roughly equivalent.
But you don't like this "ethnonationalism" word because it scares women and children...

No shame in not knowing what your opinion is, we're all here learning stuff. But I think you need to sharpen your position a little bit, because it takes an extraordinarily charitable interpretation to believe that you were aware of all this when you made your original statement.

@cjd@pkteerium.xyz @teto@cawfee.club i want the america that used to exist to come back, it can happen it just will take effort. using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure.

i also stopped caring how people perceive what i say on fedi, too many retards. especially on the extreme ends, both left fedi and right fedi made me apathetic about anyone having a good faith interpretation anymore, too many retards.

> i want the america that used to exist to come back

Okay, that's an objective which is good. But you need to go from talking like a customer to talking like a coder, and I know you can.

> using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure

Maybe yes, maybe no. I think a lot of the people using that word are not pursuing effective strategy, but I'm not convinced it's the word that's the problem.

Here's the thing: America isn't going back to what it was unless there's a group that is prepared to take it back by force. None of this is ever gonna happen by vote, because taking the vote away from people who are not The Nation is the whole point, and there's no way they're going to just vote to have that happen.

Therefore, you have no reason to care about the opinion of anyone except your Nation, in particular, its fighting age males.

i want the america that used to exist to come back, it can happen it just will take effort. using a toxic brand will doom all efforts to failure.

how can the country produced by one demographics and culture of people come back when they have been replaced with new demographics and culture?

for things to be like a White country with a high trust society (the past) the society must be White and high trust - this is not possible even if the groups that replace Whites are admirable like the Japanese as their culture and values are very different - and of course, the culture that has been brought in are not a noble people but various violent low IQ subhumans

if you want America to come back and be like it was in the past, then it must have the populations it had in the past, and to achieve that would be ethno-nationalism of the White variety

and if you feel icky after hearing that perhaps you should ask why and if that reaction is rational or if it is decades of Jewish propaganda depicting White people as evil racists

Thing is, it's not hard to get it back.

You bring together a critical mass of badasses, seize the capital, and declare yourselves 1st class citizens. Your guys vote, everyone else gets to pay taxes and shut up.

No ethnic cleansing, no genocide, just seize power and re-align the government with the actual original nation.
@cjd @teto @jeff I mean it may not be hard after a certain hard to achieve conditions have been manifested, if you know what I mean. On the other hand, the potential seems to be real as German elites seem panicked at the mere thought of it. One example of that fear is the overreaction to the case attached.
Right, most people will not even give a fuck. If you run things less shitty than the last regime, they'll be happy. See: Bukele in El Salvador.

Some people will be very unhappy about it because they were previously on the dole and now the money stops. But those people are never capable of fighting.

This would not work that well in Germany because multiple powers want to control it (US, RU). Germany is in a tough situation. US on the other hand - once the USD system stops working, things are going to get chaotic and if you have a decently large group of Special Forces on your side, you can probably seize control.