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That is what everyone says about Arch too and every other distro that isn't Ubuntu, going to need to say more than that to sell me. There are only 5 genders: Arch, Gentoo, NixOS, some Debian base, or Fedora Silverblue. All other genders are mental delusions

@Suzu @amerika @bajax @ceooffuggy @f0x @hakui @ins0mniak @j @mrsaturday @phnt @pwm @romin @sicp @sun @tsubo

> weren't you the guy who said you didn't do distro evangelism?

Yes.

> Being that strongly against a distro and trying to dissuade people who use it is a form of evangelism too.

That's kind of ridiculous to say: having an opinion informed by experience is not the same as trying to dissuade them from picking a box with one name on it and switching to a box with another name on it. Being a hacker, I would like people to not embarrass the computer.

The Nix guys are misguided; I don't care if he uses the distro, but it is a bad distro. Do you understand the difference between these statements? I don't care if someone decides to start using Red Star Linux, right? (Although that's weird enough that I might take an interest in exactly what he *is* doing.) But if they say it's more secure, I'll argue that point. I'll say what I prefer, you know, if someone says "Oh, I wonder about $x" then I will fill in the blanks if I can. Those are more interesting discussions than "$x bad, $y good" versus "$y bad, $x good". There are tradeoffs and some things that you do with the computer are easy to categorize as retarded; I'd rather talk about tradeoffs. Jojo installed Ubuntu and had questions about how to make Ubuntu do something; I forget what, because 80 people hopped into the thread to tell him to switch to Gentoo or Arch or Debian or Devuan and the goddamn idiot evangelism flooded in and I don't think that helped Jojo learn how to operate his computer.

https://www.perl.com/pub/2000/12/advocacy.html/ :ddr_l: There is some irony that this article, "Why I Hate Advocacy", which explains what I am doing better than I have, and which includes a chunk about the mechanics of NIH retardation, was met with "Pfff, it's on the Perl website."

> I think the root of the problem is that we tend to organize ourselves into tribes. Then people in the tribe are our friends, and people outside are our enemies. I think it happens like this: Someone uses Perl, and likes it, and then they use it some more. But then something strange happens. They start to identify themselves with Perl, as if Perl were part of their body, or vice versa. They're part of the Big Perl Tribe. They want other people to join the Tribe. If they meet someone who doesn't like Perl, it's an insult to the Tribe and a personal affront to them.
@p @amerika @j @bajax @pwm @f0x @phnt @sicp @tsubo @ins0mniak @ceooffuggy @mrsaturday @romin @sun @hakui

> That's kind of ridiculous to say: having an opinion informed by experience is not the same as trying to dissuade them from picking a box with one name on it and switching to a box with another name on it. Being a hacker, I would like people to not embarrass the computer

Nah, when you get too insistent on it, it borders on trying to dissuade.
It's like in the Jojo thread, with people saying that Ubuntu is bad. Except they also told about an alternative to it, which is an even more aggressive form of evangelism.
However, I also have noticed you tend to bring up CRUX whenever people talk about using NixOS...
@Suzu @amerika @bajax @ceooffuggy @f0x @hakui @ins0mniak @j @mrsaturday @phnt @pwm @romin @sicp @sun @tsubo That is some Internet-ass bullshit, man.

If you can't read that article or even the single quoted paragraph and you cannot identify the difference between these two conversations, then I do not know how to help you:

:arafatyelling: $x bad, $y good!
:tyrellyelling: [neofetch screenshot with anime girl background behind transparent terminal windows]
:januszyelling: $y bad, $x good!
:arafatyelling: No, $x bad, $y good!
:januszyelling: No, $y bad, $x good!
:tyrellyelling: Did that guy just say $x bad?
:walteryelling: >implying $y good
:arafatyelling: I have so many insults.


:sf2vs:

:bwksmug: Here's what I think about this. These are tradeoffs, I picked this side.
:kenbw: You can get around that by doing this.
:bwksmug: I tried that but it broke this.
:kenbw: I don't use that so I didn't notice that it was broken.
:bwksmug: This has been a valuable exchange of information and not internet-ass bullshit.

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@Suzu @amerika @bajax @ceooffuggy @f0x @hakui @ins0mniak @j @mrsaturday @phnt @pwm @romin @sicp @sun @tsubo

> fastfetch

Oh, dear god, is there another? Are...are people arguing about neofetch versus fastfetch?

> what do you have against my fashionable fastfetch screenshots?

I can come up with a million things if I gotta, I was just noting that this is the hallmark of the useless distro argument. But while we're here and literally asking for it, I will jump in with both feet, however ill-advised that this is. PREPARE TO BY CYBERBULLIED

* 16-color terminal but 6 of them are duplicates
* "Uptime: 9 hours, 18 mins" NGMI
* For that matter, why do they write "9 hours, 18 mins" like it was important to abbreviate "minutes" but they couldn't just write "0d9h18m" or "09:18" or something.
* "Shell: fish"
* Wayland
* Anti-aliased font
* btrfs
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fuck-your-mom.jpg
hot-moms.jpg
house-gamer-moment.jpg
mom-gamer.jpeg
mommy_cyberbullying.jpg
@p @amerika @j @bajax @pwm @f0x @phnt @sicp @tsubo @ins0mniak @ceooffuggy @mrsaturday @romin @sun @hakui

Let's see.

>Oh, dear god, is there another? Are...are people arguing about neofetch versus fastfetch?

Honestly, I have no idea. I think one of them is outdated and deprecated. I have commands for both in my system so my muscle memory just does whatever, but they all point to the same one.

>16-color terminal but 6 of them are duplicates

Yeah, to be fair, this is a complaint I been having about themes like Catppuccin and Tokyo Night since forever. I remember someone explained to me why it was this way, and it made sense at the time, so I never bothered with it anymore.

>"Uptime: 9 hours, 18 mins" NGMI

What's wrong with actually turning off your computer sometimes?

>"Shell: fish"

It is friendly, it is interactive, and it's a shell. It's fish, the friendly interactive shell.

>Wayland

How else will I use cool window managers like Niri?

>Anti-aliased font

To be honest, I have no idea what's the problem here

>btrfs

My system disk is in ext4. btrfs is used in my HDDs, since I'm doing RAID with them. By my research, the native RAID implementation in btrfs was pretty good and is self healing, so I went with it.
@Suzu @amerika @bajax @ceooffuggy @f0x @hakui @ins0mniak @j @mrsaturday @phnt @pwm @romin @sicp @sun @tsubo

> themes

Easier to just do shit in .Xdefaults or .Xresources or whichever the `xrdb -merge` line wants in your ~/.xinitrc.

Here's what I've got and it's a matter of taste but most of the colors except the foreground/background were done by manually tuning them while trying to read the screen of a T60 (terribly underpowered backlight) in direct sunlight in Los Angeles; your mileage may vary:

*font: 6x13
urxvt*background: #000008
urxvt*foreground: #fff8e0
urxvt*color4: #0072ff
urxvt*color12: #1082ff
urxvt*color1: #ff2222
urxvt*color2: #00ee00
urxvt*color3: #bb8833
urxvt*color5: #706c9a
urxvt*color6: #00aabb
urxvt*color7: #fff8e0
urxvt*color8: #444444
urxvt*color9: #ff8442
urxvt*color10: #84ff84
urxvt*color11: #efef60
urxvt*color13: #b2aae1
urxvt*color14: #33eeff
urxvt*color15: #ffffff
urxvt*scrollColor: #5c9aef
urxvt*borderColor: #00204b
urxvt*cursorColor: #d1edff

> Anti-aliased font

I moved this one because it is kind of related. I can write code when I'm too drunk to walk, right, but I probably would not be able to if I were unable to read the text. What constitutes "readable" is obviously subjective but "the edges of letters are not blurry" is somewhat more objective. Here are some files that I keep losing track of and have now put into a directory called "fontshit"; your mileage may vary.

> What's wrong with actually turning off your computer sometimes?

How are cron jobs going to run on a turned-off computer?

> It is friendly

This usually means it second-guesses you or tries to do "helpful" things without an understanding of where you're going (and thus no understanding of what's relevant to bother you with).

(Actually have been considering doing something like "$home/bin/the-hell-was-that" on the Plan 9 box. The idea is it just reads /dev/text and sends the last ~4kB to a clanker, an even more lazy substitute for "copy and paste the error message into a search engine".)

> How else will I use cool window managers like Niri?

I'm pretty sure it could be ported to a system that works.

> By my research, the native RAID implementation in btrfs was pretty good and is self healing, so I went with it.

The entire point of RAID is that it's self-healing (to an extent) so they all are. Last time I checked, their shit still falls over if you stress it. (I use extremely normal shit for filesystems. I do not mind using self-patched builds of weird shit as long as it does what I want, but I don't use anything remotely unusual for filesystems because that's my goddamn data.)

Also the ruler file used in the "Il1O0" screenshots:

ICAgICAgICAgMSAgICAgICAgIDIgICAgICAgICAzICAgICAgICAgNCAgICAgICAgIDUgICAgICAg
ICA2ICAgICAgICAgNyAgICAgICAgIDggICAgICAgICA5ICAgICAgICAgYSAgICAgICAgIGIgICAg
ICAgICBjICAgICAgICAgZCAgICAgICAgIGUgICAgICAgICBmCl9fX18uX19fXzFfX19fLl9fX18y
X19fXy5fX19fM19fX18uX19fXzRfX19fLl9fX181X19fXy5fX19fNl9fX18uX19fXzdfX19fLl9f
X184X19fXy5fX19fOV9fX18uX19fX2FfX19fLl9fX19iX19fXy5fX19fY19fX18uX19fX2RfX19f
Ll9fX19lX19fXy5fX19fZgoxSWwwTwlGb250CkZvbnQgL2xpYi9mb250L2JpdC9maXhlZC91bmlj
b2RlLjZ4MTMuZm9udApGb250IC9saWIvZm9udC9iaXQvZml4ZWQvdW5pY29kZS45eDE1LmZvbnQK
Rm9udCAvbGliL2ZvbnQvYml0L2NoaWNhZ28vY2hpY2Fnby5yLjEyLmZvbnQKRm9udCAvbGliL2Zv
bnQvYml0L3Rlcm1pbnVzL3VuaWNvZGUuMTIuZm9udApGb250IC9saWIvZm9udC9iaXQvdGVybWlu
dXMvdW5pY29kZS4xNC5mb250CkZvbnQgL2xpYi9mb250L2JpdC92Z2EvdW5pY29kZS5mb250CkZv
bnQgL2xpYi9mb250L2JpdC9maXhlZHN5cy9maXhlZHN5cy5yLjEzLmZvbnQK
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fonts_comparison_cat.c.png
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